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[–] HolyDiver@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

just send all the billionaires to mars and the rest of us will have to learn how to survive without them

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 12 points 1 year ago

More like Celebrate.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a common misspelling of "thrive".

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What makes you guys think they can't rule over you from Mars? On the other hand, that would just make them out of reach of any protests or riots and even more immune from consequences.

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[–] Mixel@szmer.info 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

both are not mutually exclusive

[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Yep. People definitely want to colonize the first one. The only thing keeping apartments off that location is strict governmental regulation of space like that. The desire is definitely there though.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think space travel is inherently a bad idea. But I don't think it'd be the billionaires to get us there, especially not someone like Elon.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SpaceX is a rocket ship manufacturer, NASA outsourced that like the US military outsources aircraft manufacturing to Boeing or Lockheed Martin.

Elon is not going to/was never going to "get us there" he's just the guy who owns the company that makes the vehicles. Idk what this huge miscommunication is and how people got to the idea that he's personally going to be the one who pushes humanity to mars, he doesn't even have a say in the operations NASA uses his spacecraft for.

[–] spauldo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elon used to say he was going to found a Mars colony. I don't pay much attention to him so maybe he doesn't talk about it anymore, but it was a big thing maybe fifteen years ago.

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[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The poor moon, it gets skipped over. Doesn't it deserve to be colonized too? Maybe we could put an amusement park there or something.

[–] Maltese_Liquor@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooh! It could have animatronics that sing songs about what it was like being a whaler on the moon!

[–] Oiconomia@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Or farming space beetles on the half of the planet your family owns

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shhhh!!! 🤫 This the best chance we have to get rid of a bunch of them all at once

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think anyone deserves to be a space slave to Musk.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Nah, he can take his simps. They won't be missed. Half of thrm are fascists anyways.

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[–] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me (a sysadmin): We need an off-site backup. Preferably in a completely different "availability zone".

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I love the thought of being one of the only programmers on Mars. Being able to say: "I'm gonna do it my way. What are you gonna do, travel to Mars?", when some comes up with a stupid request, would be absolutely priceless.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay, but The Planet Crafter is really cool for exactly that reason. You slowly but surely make a barren wasteland livable, it's extremely rewarding

Edit: I may have misunderstood the intention of this meme, but I still stand behind Planet Crafter being a fun game

[–] jackoneill@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile on earth we are slowly but surely making a livable planet a barren wasteland

For money

For like 400 massive douchebags

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, pretty much. What was the name of that movie? Oh yeah, Elysium. That's probably what's going to happen, isn't it

[–] H2207@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bet Elongated Husk will be the one to build the Elysium.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm all for it. With his ability to fuck things up, he'd actually do us a favour for once

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let him. Hopefully someone will then hack into Space Force network and nuke it.

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[–] Blackmist 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't eat the rich if we can't reach the rich.

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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It's not about prime real estate, it's about increasing the redundancy of humanity's survival. Two planets are better than one.

[–] MajinBlayze@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

There seems to be a large amount of overlap between people who say things like "It's hubris to think that humans can change the atmosphere of the earth enough to make a noticeable difference in 400 years" and "we can make Mars inhabitable by humans in 50 years"

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What the fuck, no there isn't. Are you actually implying most people that are interested in a mars colony are climate change deniers?

[–] MajinBlayze@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More the other way around, I know a surprising amount of climate change deniers that think we need to colonize Mars to save the human race.

I'm not trying to say it can't or it shouldn't be done, but it has to be both. We have to find a way to live sustainably and also expand.

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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's also not about Terraforming! That's a goal for a few thousand years down the line. For now, just spreading out our habitats is a good idea.

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[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In order to colonize mars, having a good space station in orbit would help out immensely. We're talking big enough to stretch out and hold a few hundred people.
The station would need to grow crops and have minor but flexible manufacturing.
At that point, why would you colonize mars vs just make more stations?

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For real, resource extraction is a big one. Finding ice means they can make, besides water, oxygen and rocket fuel. Not to mention that shelters for radiation are incredibly hard to make without a huge amount of mass, which we cannot efficiently get into orbit without a space elevator. Hence being able to extract it from the location of the colony, say dig into the ground or build thick walls with bricks made from soil, is necessary for long term survival of the inhabitants. I think it is cool that due to these reasons having air balloons over Venus might even be a better option due to it having a protective atmosphere.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can make a radiation field by running a large motor that would save you from the solar radiation.
In space you always have access to the sun. A cheap form of power. You need a lot more batteries if you're on the planet.

Venus is a much better idea over mars.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't know that it was feasible to create a radiation field by running a large motor. Not that I doubt you, but if you have a source I would be very happy to read more about it.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard about it on one of Isaac Arthur's videos. I can't remember which one, but the analogy he used was that earth's magnetosphere is essentially a big motor created by earth's metal core spinning. (Oversimplified) So you should be able to build a motor that would shield a station

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sure, and theoretically we could do a lot of shit. Isaac Arthur isnt a scientist he's a edutainment YouTuber.

Creating our own magnetosphere is a little more complex or we'd have already done it, plus what happens if it fails? Where's your backup? You just gonna die when it shuts down?

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[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Space stations don't produce raw materials, even if they could self sustain their human populations with food grown onboard they'd require the resources of earth to build and expand, so they're still dependent on Earth.

A space station wouldn't make anything inherently easier, unless it was attached via space elevator just having a chunk of metal in orbit doesn't change how much energy you need to get things out of the gravity well.

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Mining is a big reason. And radiation shielding, as others have said.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Right now, even with water recycling systems, we still have to ship water to the ISS. A planet or moon also offers way more radiation protection by tunneling underground than any spacecraft at this time could provide.

I'd say we go for Deimos and Phobos first and set up mining operations there before spreading to the Martian surface. Their super-low gravity will make shipping materials easier. They essentially are natural space stations, just add infrastructure.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

Space colonies are cool but we're nowhere close to being able to make a self-sustaining colony

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's Kirkjufell in Iceland

You could have just slapped any combination of letters together in that name as long as there's a J and I'd still believe this sentence.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Lol so true.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't mind leaving a lot of Earth's natural beauty alone, as much as SpaceX's mission doesn't resonate with me very much

[–] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Villia Starlight strikes again.

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