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Proton Mail, known for its privacy-first email services, faced backlash after CEO Andy Yen praised the Republican Party and its antitrust stance.

The company initially posted and deleted a statement supporting Yen’s comments, later claiming an “internal miscommunication” and reiterating its political neutrality.

Critics question Proton’s impartiality, particularly as it cooperates with Swiss authorities on legal data requests.

Privacy advocates warn that political alignments could undermine trust, especially for Proton’s users—journalists and activists wary of government surveillance under administrations like Trump’s.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (4 children)

My renewal of proton VPN is entirely dependent on who the ceo is when it's time for me to renew.

If fuckface is still there, I'll move on.

I'm fickle that way.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

The number of places I can do business with is dropping drastically. I'm going to have to start making my own clothes in the near future.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Correction; the CEO posted a rather tone deaf message. while this is incredibly dumb, it should be little reason to burn the company to the ground

Having said that, people should start looking at email again how it was designed to be: have thousands of open providers instead of the tiny fee enormous ones we got now

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

have thousands of open providers instead of the tiny fee enormous ones we got now

With distributed/federated services, people still always gravitate towards the largest providers. We see that on Lemmy and Mastodon too.

I agree with you though. I've been self-hosting my email for many years now, using Mailcow. I use an SMTP relay for outbound email though - it's a hassle to deal with IP reputation otherwise, especially if you don't own your own IP space.

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[–] Driveway4964@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (4 children)

My stance on Proton is my stance on GrapheneOS: just because the creator is bad doesn't mean the software is bad. As long as the software is better compared to the alternatives then I seen no reason to stop using it.

Note: better can mean more privacy-friendly, cost-friendly, sustainable, nice to use, open, etc.

Oddly enough, I found the opposite to be true with companies like Nestle: the news of them killing children makes me dislike their chocolates.

[–] jkYkM7a@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know much about the creator of GrapheneOS. What's the bad about them? I know they're a little dogmatic, as security/FOSS folk can sometimes be, but I've not heard anything beyond that.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure hope their praises don't include giving your data to their heroes

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

They would hand over your liver for an atta-boy and a small government contract.

[–] NOT_RICK_SANCHEZ@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago

Good news for them, I’m “financially neutral”

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Okay, can someone help me, a tech illiterate, choose a new vpn, email provider, and password manager? I'd really prefer open source.

[–] vodka@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Vpn: Mullvad

Email: Tuta / tutanota

Password manager: Bitwarden or 1password

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

VPN: Mullvad

Password manager: Bitwarden
(or if you are advanced user, KeePassXC + Syncthing for full control of your DB)

Email: I use Tuta, but I am honestly not that confident in it to recommend it, unlike the above.

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[–] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For me, the most-used Proton service after email is their calendar. What privacy-friendly calendar alternatives are there that you can recommend?

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Both my new service candidates, mailbox.org and posteo, offer calendars. However, I’m in a holding pattern currently since they are German based. Fuckface is meddling in their elections now, which happen at the end of Feb. so I’m holding off to see how much ground the Afd gains.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Already started migrating away. Canceled my paid plan.

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[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (12 children)

gonna quickly post here, since I don't know quite where else would be good, but I noticed sometime last year that the website, https://standardnotes.com/ (a product owned by proton) seems to use a massive amount of AI generated imagery.

also: I thought I was a fool for not getting lifetime visionary when I could, now a little less so :)

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The thing is, he raises a lot of very accurate points about the Democratic party. Dems are captured by corporations; they're unwilling to do what the people want, and what is in the best interests of the people, because that hurts their flow of money. And yes, tech companies are kissing Trump's ass because he's volatile enough that he could very well regulate them out of business if they aren't sucking his dick. Additionally, prior to his MAGA phase, Vance does appear to have been much more populist in his approach to corporations; he was saying some of the right things, even if his social policies were trash.

[–] Spazz@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago

Lololololololololol, just pure lies and bullshit, not one fact, literally the opposite of reality

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[–] LostAndSmelly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

With this president flattery will get you everything. If you don't publicly praise him he will come for you and your users.

I am not saying that I love the endorsement, I do understand it.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

But he has absolutely no reason to do so. That's like VPNs bowing to Trump.

The lack of risk, especially when the average Proton user is actively looking for privacy/security from tech companies who bow to government, makes this endorsement even more sinister than it should be.

[–] SushiRain@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Proton is based in Switzerland. If anything, I get the message that the only services that are Trump-proof are based in China or France, because everybody else has lost their fucking mind.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The Swiss just can't help themselves

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