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[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Its not about good or bad the software people learn and use are the ones that bring them gainful employment. You learn what the industry uses to get a job in the same way i didn't learn java because its a fun and exciting language i learned it because people hire for it. Also universities have a lot of sway on what people learn as well but I think thats more just reacting to what the industry does than leading it in any way

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think if there were complete transparency in university site licensing agreements, especially the sweetheart kickbacks the universities get for pushing certain proprietary software into students and curriculum to force familiarity over open source, there would be calls for prison sentences.

pretty sure ESRI's entire business model in the US exists because of their capture of educational institutions.

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

I've heard some things about uni's and proprietary software shenanigans but i don't know enough about it. Wouldn't be surprised if they take bribes to entrench shit software in the world

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes but if it's significantly better businesses would be shooting themselves in the foot to not use it. It'd probably just be banned tbh

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This isn't really true because businesses constantly shoot themselves in the foot paying eyewatering sums for crap software.

Workflows are hard to shift without significant losses in profits so unless its a small company won't happen. But then you hit the other problem... No labour pool. Industry standards are a self propagating thing and adobe is the one laughing. Look at oracle its basically their entire business model, same goes for IBM they are still selling mainframe systems.

Come do some z/OS with me comrade https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zdt/14.2.x?topic=personal-edition its fun and exciting

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Oh true, I always forget how interconnected everything is

What is z/OS?

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Runs your banking, healthcare, aviation and probably government systems as well I think also UK train systems. IBMs glorious mainframe system that so alien to current computer conventions you'd think it came from another planet. Bundled with glorious IBM scented Cobol the finest language ever made

[–] devils_dust@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is that where the "learn Cobol for the banking industry, you'll earn zillions" meme comes from? (in my experience the few Cobol people I met were only as well paid as the next bigcorp IT drone, and much less than the workers at fancystartup.io)

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

It's from back in the Y2K days when there was a huge demand for COBOL devs, and nowhere near enough of them.

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah no you get paid the same amount as any other mid level dev its not a well paid position it also has a quite a high turnover rate every cobol dev I've met is absolutely miserable

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ITS IN FUCKING COBOL 😭

I didn't see that coming goddamn, and you say this runs everything?

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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Hmm, yeah I should have imagined it,

[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Krita is surprisingly good. GIMP is almost aggressively bad.

[–] rivan@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago

Strangely GIMP lives up to the name

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you use GIMP and Krita together, you can get like 80-90% of the features photoshop had

The main problem for me is that GIMP has no equivalent to content-aware fill, so the closest open source equivalent to that afaik is using krita's AI slop stable diffusion plugin to generate fill ins, which takes much longer to generate and comes with its own foibles

this is coming from someone that uses graphic design software primarily to make memes though so shrug-outta-hecks

while making this comment i searched online and apparently GIMP has a content-aware fill esque plugin called resynthesizer, idk if its any good but if it is that is huge

https://github.com/bootchk/resynthesizer

[–] thetaT@hexbear.net 1 points 4 hours ago

resynthesizer is like leagues ahead of content-aware, i've been using it for ages

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was about to say, not only does GIMP have content aware fill, it has had it for longer than Photoshop.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

i wish i had known about it a decade ago lenin-pensive

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago

I remember trying resynthesizer back in the day and it was pretty bad back then. The photoshop algorithm was pretty clearly superior

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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

GIMP is a little better than Photoshop CS2; I have not used a newer photoshop.

Inkscape is just plainly better than Illustrator.

Those are the two I actually use.

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[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kdenlive has really leveled up as a video editor lately. I don't think it has feature parity with premiere or after effects, but it has become a very capable piece of software. I'm very excited to see where it goes in the future.

I've been meaning to get back into videomaking so this is great to know!

[–] red_stapler@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Adobe is fucking expensive.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

use pirated photoshop to remove the word adobe from the top and we're cooking

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

I used to use PS and InDesign daily for creating flyers, posters, memes, agitprop, etc. for fun, for organizing, and just to help out local charitable or community orgs. I decided to switch to FOSS stuff a few years ago when I went all-in on Linux as my primary OS.

I can use some combination of Krita, Scribus, and Gimp for about 95% of my image editing, design, and publishing workflow. Every so often I do have to switch back to Photoshop or InDesign to do one or two specific things before going back to Scribus or Krita for the entire rest of the project. A few of these things are ones I could probably figure out how to do in a FOSS editor, but mostly they're things that are either too convoluted or just don't work (or at least, don't work the way I want them to.)

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago

I use GIMP a lot and learning the interface was hell, but other than that it's perfectly good software. Haven't dabbled much with Krita, but I've heard from colleagues it's pretty great.

Main issue is what the other user pointed out, if you work at a company you need to either use locked in software or somehow convince the whole company to use the foss version. Nowadays lots of people are using Canva despite it also being shit and increasingly enshittified.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I haven't used anything other than PS very much but I generally struggle to do fairly basic shit with GIMP.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Depending on what you're doing, try Krita instead. It's made more for drawing and digital art, but can edit photos too :)

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It's usually just for making memes nowadays if I'm being honest, will take it under advisement.

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This also affects enterprises that also create proprietary graphical arts tools. If the office uses adobe, then you will use adobe because when your co-worker sends you a .psd file then you're going to be a team player or get fired. You can apply this thinking to most computer programs where a proprietary instance of it has become a hegemon. It's sometimes called the Network Effect where the use of the program spreads not because of technical merit or respect but because there is no other viable option.

GNU Imp, Krita, Kdenlive, etc are not faulty programs, as mentioned, they can do 90% of tasks that most people need technically speaking (It's the 10% that Adobe has that causes users pain and frustration). It's just that they don't get enough attention and support because if you want to survive in capitalism you can't argue with your boss.

But also if China does do a Deepseek on Adobe then humanity will be in a far better place.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

I've never like gimp, I would use it but have always found its differences to photoshop to be an unintuitive pain in the ass.

I've been using Photopea.com lately though, which obviously isn't open but it fills most of my quick free editing needs.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's the thing, I use Gimp and it's great... but it is probably only great because I haven't used Photoshop in over 20 years, so I can't really compare the two.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

I didn't use Windows for 10 years, and I wish my new job didn't force me to use it cuz it's pure unfiltered garbage and minesweeper has fucking adds I'm gonna kill you motherfucker

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use GIMP mostly these days. I don't do anything too involved that often, but it has most of the features from the pre-CS days (I started using PS around version 3.x). If you are relying on new features constantly, then probably will not feel too great for a while. But all the essentials are fine (color curves, layers, selection tools, etc). I hear a lot of good things about Krita for vector stuff, but I haven't used it much.

[–] erik@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

I've been using Pixelmator for about a decade and would recommend it.

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i use photoshop and have had a bad time trying to start using clip studio/gimp/etc, but tbh i'm pretty sure that's because i've been using PS forever and there's tutorials for everything. and its always cracked! pirate-jammin

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[–] bananon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Davinci resolve and affinity photo/designer have been my bread and butter for years

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Neither are FOSS. Both are good tho.

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[–] niph@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

GIMP is fine. I’m not a pro or anything though and I haven’t used PS in years

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, they suck. Don't @ me Linux bros.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The inkscape version I installed doesn't allow me to save a file for some reason, and it's a known bug.

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[–] REgon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I've had to use Adobe software a few times. I'm not very techy, I always feel like I'm wrestling the program in order to just get it to PRINT OUT DA PDF PLEASEUH but with Adobe I felt like I was doing that AND wrestling its' pimp

[–] imikoy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Open alternatives exist, and in multiple cases are not strictly worse than Adobe products, but for artists who have integrated Adobe products deeply into their workflow switching is difficult. It'll take too much time to learn the new tool and port the workflow to it, time that may not be available.

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