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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Neo-Nazi nutcase having a normal one.

It's so great that this isn't falsifiable in the sense that doomers can keep saying, well "once the model is epsilon smarter, then you'll be sorry!", but back in the real world: the model has been downloaded 10 million times at this point. Somehow, the diamanoid bacteria has not killed us all yet. So yes, we have found out the Yud was wrong. The basilisk is haunting my enemies, and she never misses.

Bonus sneer: "we are going to find out if Yud was right" Hey fuckhead, he suggested nuking data centers to prevent models better than GPT4 from spreading. R1 is better than GPT4, and it doesn't require a data center to run so if we had acted on Yud's geopolitical plans for nuclear holocaust, billions would have been for incinerated for absolutely NO REASON. How do you not look at this shit and go, yeah maybe don't listen to this bozo? I've been wrong before, but god damn, dawg, I've never been starvingInRadioactiveCratersWrong.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago

The advanced sinophobia where the Chinese are so much better at everything than the west that even when they make better and cheaper bullshit machines than the Americans do and hand them out for free, it has apocalyptic consequences.

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's wild that Yudkowsky saw a binary choice of "nuclear holocaust" and "superintelligence" and chose "nuclear holocaust" in the first place.

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like, even if I believed in FOOM, I'll take my chances with the stupid sexy basilisk 🐍 over radiation burns and it's not even fucking close.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I don't want to say with absolute confidence that there's no scenario I can imagine to which a nuclear apocalypse would be preferable (the real kind, not the Fallout kind). But I have yet to hear one.

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[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I’m not going to link Andy Ngo but random rationalist transwomen are being accused of terror sympathy…and Aella is doing this ‘leopards ate my face’ dance.

edit: it was @jessi_cata who tipped Ngo off of all people.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ok you brought aella up so now I can post this:

Heard this song for the first time the other day and it reminded me of aella.

side note: what’s a good way to post links to music that isn’t youtube?

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[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i don't think it's the first time i see jessicata acting like a total piece of shit in her completely emotionless way and it's incredibly creepy. she doesn't even seem to be aware of the harm she can cause.

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

I was kinda picking up on that ugh.

Ngo is going on Newsmax tonight to do his thing in front of the masses.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

you can get banned on facebook now for linking to distrowatch https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked and from distrowatch https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20250127#sitenews

but it's not as bad as you think, it's slightly worse. it's not only distrowatch and linux groups got banned too

[–] rook@awful.systems 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And on a less downbeat and significantly more puerile note, Dan Fixes Coin Ops makes a nice analogy for companies integrating ai into their product.

https://retro.social/@ifixcoinops/112847573063473767

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that thread is a work of genius and answers what the next tech boom needs to be

~~dicks in mousetraps~~ I MEAN whatever wastes electricity most, preferably with Nvidia cards

I do actually have a mechanism for using the sharp edges of NVidia cards for ~~dick~~ mouse trapping purposes. And we could - hypothetically - use the extraneous power inputs to mine Bitcoin or something, maximizing efficiency!

[–] rook@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hey, did you know of you own an old forum full of interesting posts from back in the day when humans wrote stuff, you can just attach ai bots to dead accounts and have them post backdated slop for, uh, reasons?

https://hallofdreams.org/posts/physicsforums/

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this was mentioned in last week's thread

what I don't get is why the admins chose to both backdate the entries and re-use poster's handles. If they'd just tried to "close" open questions using GenAI with the current date and a robot user it would still be shit but not quite as deceptive

[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago

The whole thing is just weirdly incompetent. Maybe they just had everything configured wrong and accidentally deployed sone throwaway tests to production? I could almost see it as a way to poison scrapers, given that there are some odd visibility settings on the slop posts, though the owner’s shiftiness and dubious explanations suggest it wasn’t anything so worthy.

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is from 2023 but when debugging an xfce issue this week I came across this forum post: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=16835

The user is competent enough to use xfce with Debian, but too incompetent to understand debug symbols is not a violation of privacy.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I get being privacy conscious and that sharing crash dumps and logs you don't really understand yourself can be scary. Making demands of urgent free tech support from strangers is just rude, though.

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

gives a hell of a kicker to the numbers I found

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Live: Chinese AI bot DeepSeek sparks US market turmoil, wiping $500bn off major tech firm

Shares for leading US chip-maker Nvidia dropped more than 15% after the emergence of DeepSeek, a low-cost Chinese AI bot.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cjr85l2e4l4t

lmao

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Folks around here told me AI wasn't dangerous 😰 ; fellas I just witnessed a rogue Chinese AI do 1 trillion dollars of damage to the US stock market 😭 /s

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it too early to hope that this is the beginning of the end of the bubble?

Also, does someone know why broadcom was also hit so hard? Is it because they make various networking-related chips used in datacenter infrastructure?

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

When hedge funds decide to flip the switch on something the reaction never looks rational. Meta was green today ffs.

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pouring one out for the local-news reporters who have to figure out what the fuck "timeless decision theory" could possibly mean.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Taylor said the group believes in timeless decision theory, a Rationalist belief suggesting that human decisions and their effects are mathematically quantifiable.

Seems like they gave up early if they don't bring up how it was developed specifically for deals with the (acausal, robotic) devil, and also awfully nice of them to keep Yud's name out of it.

edit: Also in lieu of explanation they link to the wikipedia page on rationalism as a philosophical movement which of course has fuck all to do with the bay area bayes cargo cult, despite it having a small mention there, with most of the Talk: page being about how it really shouldn't.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago

I kicked them a donation just for that

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago

This is a good article, thanks for posting.

[–] aio@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They're probably talking about Ziz's group. The double homicide in Pennsylvania is likely the murder of Jamie Zajko's parents referenced in this LW post, and the Vallejo county homicide is the landlord they had a fatal altercation with and who was killed recently.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

landlord was ~~killed~~ stabbed in 2022, but recently they killed ~~someone who shot one of zizians back then~~ him

wait nah i fucked up

In November of 2022, three associates of Ziz (Somnulence “Somni” Logencia, Emma Borhanian, and someone going by the alias “Suri Dao”) got into a violent conflict with their landlord in Vallejo, California, according to court records and news reports. Somni stabbed the landlord in the back with a sword, and the landlord shot Somni and Emma. Emma died, and Somni and Suri were arrested. Ziz and Gwen were seen by police at the scene, alive.

landlord's name is curtis lind. this is about 2022 incident:

Early that morning, several of the tenants asked Lind to come out of his trailer home to help them with an issue, but instead “jumped him with a bunch of knives and swords, apparently with the intent of chopping him up and dissolving him in a bath of chemicals, which they had prepared,” Young said.

https://openvallejo.org/2025/01/27/man-killed-in-vallejo-was-main-witness-in-upcoming-murder-trial/

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No no that's right, landlord shot one of them to death and got a sword put through him but he survived. He was stabbed again recently and died.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago

noted, edited

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

excuse me, what the fuck is this

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Me: Oh boy, I can't wait to see what my favorite thinkers of the EA movement will come up with this week :)

Text from Geoff: "Morally stigmatize AI developers so they considered as socially repulsive as Nazi pedophiles. A mass campaign of moral stigmatization would be more effective than any amount of regulation. "

Another rationalist W: don't gather empirical evidence that AI will soon usurp / exterminate humanity. Instead as the chief authorities of morality, engage in societal blackmail to anyone who's ever heard the words TensorFlow.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago

engage in societal blackmail to anyone who’s ever heard the words TensorFlow.

no no wait this is geoff's stopped clock moment

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 19 points 3 days ago

dude missed that Trump won and the people in power are Nazi pedophiles

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