Gaza protesters got so owned… All that yelling about Biden, Harris, Democrats, while Trump was openly saying this shit all along. And a bunch of you will continue to only complain about Democrats as Gaza gets “cleaned”. You fucking tools.
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The democrats could have tried not aiding the genocide. That was always an option. Seems like this was gonna happen either way…
Exactly. I feel sorry for everyone in the US who has to live through another Trump term, but from my outsider perspective the Dems really screwed themselves on this one.
I don't feel sorry for most. They have decades before trump to work of a multi party system, instead most keep voting for the same two terrible parties and blame 3rd party voters instead
Their system isn't set up to realistically accommodate third parties. Without actually overhauling the entire electoral system (something neither major party wants) the only way to get any third party representation would be a massively coordinated grassroots campaign that would require a huge amount of funding to overcome all the media attacks it would suffer.
In effect, as the system currently works, a third party vote is a wasted vote unfortunately.
Yeah, whether or not these people who keep patting themselves on the back every single time some new horrible news about Gaza comes out want to admit it, the democrats are complicit in this.
It’s the brain rot of two party politics. The idea that democrats are guilty of aiding in a genocide cannot exist at the same time as the idea that trump would continue and worsen the genocide. They can’t conceive of a situation where the vote for genocide or genocide was unpalatable for many people.
And do they blame the people committing genocide? No, they throw streamers in the air and pop poppers because now they get to say they were right. It doesn’t fucking matter. People are being slaughtered. And our country is complicit. It’s not about blue or red complicity. It’s about the fact that we had no choice but to either shoulder the blame for trump’s deeds, or to shut up and vote for genocide participants.
Why does everything have to be so binary? Is it really that complicated to say there was no good answer on the ballot? Yes, trump is undoubtedly worse. But the fact that we weren’t given any good options to vote for is not on people who couldn’t stomach looking the other way and saying “well, yeah they may be advocating for continuing to aid in genocide, but…”
We all get it. We’ve always gotten it. We didn’t vote for trump. The people who literally thought trump was going to fix the situation and DID vote for him are to blame. But the democrats are to blame for 99% of their own loss. The sooner people stop trying to high road people who couldn’t stomach the choice, the sooner we can be to fuckin doing something about it. And the sooner we can all admit we were given a fuckin shit sandwich or a diarrhea smoothie to choose from, the sooner we can find some fuckin class solidarity. Stop blaming the underclass for being beholden to the ownership class. That’s not our choice. Driving a wedge between the other people who—according to those who keep cheering themselves on—apparently want to see the genocide end is not helping anyone but the people who can’t stop congratulating themselves—well, themselves and the ownership class committing the genocide.
It's called the Ratchet Effect. It's explained very well here: https://larryshockey.com/the-american-political-system-and-the-ratchet-effect/
Finally, a good take.
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You can't condemn a bad person or entity because another one will do more bad things? What kind of logic is this? Do you really care about palestinians or you just defend your democrat cult?
You can condemn them while not letting the proto fascist in.
You had decades to try to make effort to end the two party system before trump went to election. You keep supporting those two imperial parties destroying multiple countries and overthrowing multiple democratically elected regime all over the world. Besides 3rd parties voters all the rest of you are complicit to this genocide and the election of the pro fascist
No I didn’t. I’m no dem. Have never voted. Not American but would’ve voted to stop the proto fascist over status quo as it’s easier to organise under the status quo.
And if I didn’t it’d be only in the hopes that things would get so bad that it’d cause a revolution. Not under the delusion that Trump would be equal or better than Kamala in Palestine.
Im not condoning anything that is happening in the middle east but calling Hamas a democratically elected regime is a bit of a stretch.
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This glib self congratulatory nonsense is why Democrats will lose forever. Democrats got owned because they spent 8 or 9 months telling everyone that they were working tirelessly on a ceasefire. And what this whole fiasco is proving is that Biden could have stopped it with a phone call but he didn't. And the polling after the fact shows that would be democratic voters stayed home because they were absolutely disgusted by their party preaching morality doing the right thing while perpetrating/enabling one of the most repugnant acts of slaughter against a trapped population. It all stopped with a phone call from Trump. Whether it was just a temporary pause for the inauguration or a pure attempt at culling the violence in the middle east (it doesn't matter). It just proved that the Democrats are absolutely full of shit and willing to spite their own constituency to keep oligarchy money flowing.
It all stopped with a phone call from Trump.
Damn, you are seriously drinking some vile maga propaganda if you believe that. I suggest you choose a better information diet.
If you’re going to say something really stupid at least look into before you open your mouth.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-pushed-netanyahu-agree-gaza-ceasefire-2016926
Tolerance for this nonsense attitude is why the Democrats never feel a need to respond to their own constituents. You are berating people for choosing the ‘burn Palestinians’ party instead of the ‘turn Palestinians into ground meat’ party. Neither vote would have changed anything about the circumstances on the ground, but for some reason, people like you want to perpetuate the myth that Democrats as a party are even slightly better than Republicans on this issue. Your attitude makes progress on this issue in US politics dramatically less likely.
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Ah yes, a sort of cleansing operation.
Of people of a particular ethnicity.
I wonder if there's a term for that...
Like, idk, racial laundering or something.
That’s one way to end the war.
What kind of solution is that? Any adjectives come to mind?
It’s the solution after the penultimate one but I can’t think of the word.
Post-penultimate has a nice ring to it.
the one Israel has been pursuing for +40 years. it was never about 'hostages'
Of course! Why make Israel live in peace fairly with the Palestinians when you can just shove them in a different corner and forget about them. Its not like these are people who had homes and families and businesses or anything.
Fucking disgusting.
I might be wrong, but I think the Palestinian community had Kamala's attention and a real opportunity to affect policy if she won the election.
Trump obviously doesn't care what anyone thinks. He only cares about money/power.
While I doubt she would have won a primary, I am disappointed she got shoved into a difficult situation. With all of the zionists in American politics, it’s hard to speak out against it during an election. We will never know what her plans would have been, but I think most of us know anything would have been better than what Trump intends to do. Gaza is prime real estate now, and the developers are salivating.
Completely agree.
I'm so tired of Americans looking at everything through the lens of their broken political system. Do you want to discuss which flavour of cola, Pepsi or Coka would be "better"? Go to your own internal politics community and knock yourselves out.
The US president is suggesting ethnically cleansing Gaza. That's the story here, not Biden or Kamala. Your petty infighting means jack shit to the rest of us.
EDIT: Imagine if I started with an analysis of the situation based off of Montreal politics. "Oh boy, those Coderre voters will sure be glad that they downvoted Plante. What were they thinking". And then there are long discussion threads underneath with a bunch of Montrealers discussing the nuances of Coderre vs Plante. That would suck the air out of the discussion, it would center the wrong thing and ultimately make the whole subject about Montreal, as opposed to Palestine. And everyone would be absolutely right to be mad at Montrealers for hijacking the discussion with their petty internal politics. That's what it looks like.
While true, the US is, unfortunately, the primary supplier to the genocide. That makes it world news.
Yes, but the point they are making is that the USA is now calling for genocide officially, it seems. Biden and Harris are no longer relevant.
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