"often i'm asked, what if the world was made of pudding, and now we know, if you go into the geological research on this, we know the world isn't made of putting, but people are still obsessed with this, so i think, okay, imagine the world was made of pudding, first of all, agriculture, which we've been doing as a species for longer than recorded history, we wouldn't be able to FARM, we wouldn't be able to plant crops or anything like that! and if anything, if the world were made of pudding and somehow no one had realized this, uh, abundant food source sitting right under their feet, then there wouldn't be enough food to sustain all humanity, let alone other animals. so i think in some ways it's a very illuminating question but chuckles perhaps not quite in the way these people think."
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- Animal Liberation Press (ALF)
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- Earth First! manual and tactics
- Support prisoners of conscience: Vegan Prisoners Support Group (UK)
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- 18 Theses on Marxism and Animal Liberation
- Racism as Zoological Witchcraft: A Guide to Getting Out
- Animal Liberation
- The Death of Nature
- The Case for Animal Rights
- Anarchism and Animal Liberation
- Total Liberation
- The Unbearable Whiteness of Milk
- Speciesism as a Precondition to Justice
- Beasts of Burden: Animal and Disability Liberation
- Citations Needed on media portrayals of animal rights activists
- The Jungle
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- Black Vegans Rock resources page
- Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach FAQs
- 30 Non-Vegan Excuses & How to Respond to Them
- Guide to justifications for harming and exploiting animals
- Your Vegan Fallacy Is
- The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)
- Animal Liberation Front FAQs
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Take B12. :vegan-edge:
Astrophysicist thinks baby carrots are infant carrots
What if aliens from the sentient air planet come to earth and see us breathing
What if aliens from the chair planet see us sitting on chairs
What if poop aliens come and see that we flush poop down our toilets
I'd watch a Twilight Zone episode about poop aliens
How do people in the Pokémon world know that Bounsweet and Cherubi are sweet?
Oh wow i never considered (hackneyed sci fi premise).
“What if there were mushroom people from the mushroom planet”
“They’d be so fucking mad at you for eating shiitake”
“That’s their bro, dude”
“Hand me the brain of that non conceptual pig that demonstrated the ability to do numerical discrimination before i murdered it for food. Yummerz”
This is possibly the dumbest "own" to vegans I've ever seen.
"WHAT IF SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM REALITY HAPPENED, I BET YOU'D BE PRETTY OWNED"
Come on, man
Except even in this reality it still makes no sense.
The animals we raise are being fed plants that we grow, so eating animals is just accelerated plant genocide.
But more importantly, I think the aliens that are smart enough to make it to this planet will understand that our planet works differently in how energy flows through our ecosystem. I don't think the sentient plants that developed space travel capabilities are going to scratch their heads at what an animal is.
This the kind of thing you expect your older brother to say after he hits the bong
Suppose their was a pig and it had shit falling off its balls
You should eat more beef to stop the cows from doing grass genocide
Lmao he's literally doing the "carrot juice is murder" bit from the Arrogant Worms
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Lmao that's so awesome what a dumbfuck hey did you ever think what if plants were sentient then you'd be the bad one didn't think of that checkmate vegans 
Literally the plot of Troll 2
Neil: "Listen, listen" proceeds to describe what humans do to sentient beings literally fucking right now as somehow a gotcha to vegans
The guy is like a lib saying socialism is bad and then proceeding to describe capitalism as examples of said things lmao.
I'm not gonna take lessons in ethics from a
CW: SA
sexual predator
100%, this guy's a total creep and should be ignored
Him: I consent
Her: I consent
The baby carrot: erm, isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
This is just a nerd version of people trotting out the "Well look at this study that shows plants send chemical signals when they're in distress, this is the same as dunking chickens in vats of boiling oil."
Which is an arguement for veganism too, since most plants grown are used for animal feed
70% of farmland is used to create 30% of calories.
This. I've seen chuds on social media posting this shit for a while now. Just another case of a lib siding with right wingers.
Never liked this guy. Just exudes smug and is every negative stereotype of a STEM lord.
As much as I like the guy, he did get a credible me too. Only it was before liberals were pretending to care so nothing came of it. Sometimes the way he talks you can just tell though. Also, despite that you want him to be good because there are so few science guys anymore that it hurts to lose one even if they are shitty.
Cw description of ndt being a sex pest
spoiler
It's beyond credible, he agreed and admitted to reaching under the shoulder of that woman's dress looking for pluto in her tattoo. His account of sexually harassing his assistant is basically the same as hers as well. The only one he actually denied was drugging and removed-ing that other grad student in the 80s.
Oh wow, it is worse than I realized. That is unfortunate
Yeah he's just an science communicator with an astronomy background. I don't think he's ever come across as a particularly skilled debater or deep thinker.
skilled debater or deep thinker
very much the opposite in TAFS
"Imagine this sentient race, they'd be aghast at the idea of eating things very similar to them!" 
Apparently not if they're like you, Neil duMasse-Tyson
Wild to think that a sentient anything would relate to something else on the basis of how it derives energy more than on the basis of how it personally experiences the world.
This is worse than I thought it was going to be, please tell me it's a bit...
A user on HB mentioned once that he likely says a bunch of dumb debate pervert statements to push his SA accusations down the SEO rankings.
that seems a bit convoluted and conspiratorial. although i could believe he acts stupid for attention because it's his brand.
I had low expectations, and I hate how even those expectations weren't met in any capacity... 
no doubt, this is the guy who likes to eat meat so much he ate all the wings on hot ones
Neil deGrabAss Tyson
I don't think this is supposed to be an argument against veganism. I think he's pontificating about a silly thought experiment.