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[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Sigh... I miss the days when Rage Against The Machine focused on music and wasn't political.

Tap for spoilerI feel obligated to say this is sarcasm, just because of the way things are. (There are actually some people who said this to Tom on Xitter lmao.)

[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago

What machine do these people think they are raging against? A dishwasher?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Stupid conservatives think, "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me," is speaking to them. Your spoiler / deflection is absolutely necessary. There are a lot of people who don't understand what they take in.

[–] AshLassay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

hE sHoULd sTAy oUt oF puHLityiCks

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Organize and protect yourselves and those you care about, Nazis won't care.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Arm yourselves.

The Nazis are already armed.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Diesel, bear spray, propane, and gasoline don't care if you're wearing a bulletproof vest.

Just pointing that out in case it becomes relevant.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yep, becoming familiar with firearms is something I wish was unnecessary, but until the working class is liberated it's necessary. I dream of a future where the working class has won triumphantly, worldwide, and that violence fades into urban legend outside of somber historical remembrance.

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 61 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'll upvote Tom Morello anytime

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 57 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Paradox of tolerance.

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

My only disagreement with Popper is hes too lenient in what counts as intolerant

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Edit - My mistake, I somehow was blind to the first in-.

 

In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.

No we musn't. The intolerant have broken the social contract and are no longer extended that latitude.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

Screw the paradox. Tolerance is a social contract. Intolerant people aren't covered by the contract, therefore intolerance of intolerance isn't hypocritical or paradoxical.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You are agreeing. They said we must be INtolerant of intolerance.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago

You are correct, I misread what they wrote despite quoting it. Whoops. 🙂

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 65 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Nazis deserve exactly as much mercy and tolerance as they give to others.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

There, the solution!

Repay everyone exactly as much tolerance as they give to you

[–] Gorgeous_George@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No, this wording is bad.

I get a lot of tolerance from Nazis, because I'm a big, white, blue eyed, german dude. And I do not intend to give that back, I'll give them exactly as much tolerance as they give to my ethnic or sexual minority brothers and sisters.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 4 hours ago

Fair enough!

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 20 hours ago

Violence against Nazis isnt the answer, its a question and the answer is always yes.

[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 110 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Just checked their online merch page and the shirt isn't there. But third-party shirt printers are easy to find and cost not much. Everyone who can should buy one and wear it proudly.

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[–] JoshuaBrusque@lemmy.world 93 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah? You and what army? Seriously tho I'm looking to join.

[–] JoshuaBrusque@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I am exercising my 2nd amendment rights, purchasing multiple firearms for multiple purposes and have signed up for classes at a local range. I'm with you, but acknowledge that this part of it feels like a lonely endeavor.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Wish the UK's right to defend itself wasn't banned in 1997.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 50 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

This is correct, and also, Nazis don't care about good faith argumentation. They're explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction ("You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?")

In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It's about power and results, not liberalist idealism.

Violent methods usually aren't the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it's harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it's riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it's kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don't worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they're the government, their violence is now legal.

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