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The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
Edit - My mistake, I somehow was blind to the first in-.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
No we musn't. The intolerant have broken the social contract and are no longer extended that latitude.
Screw the paradox. Tolerance is a social contract. Intolerant people aren't covered by the contract, therefore intolerance of intolerance isn't hypocritical or paradoxical.
You are agreeing. They said we must be INtolerant of intolerance.
You are correct, I misread what they wrote despite quoting it. Whoops. 🙂
Nazis deserve exactly as much mercy and tolerance as they give to others.
Violence against Nazis isnt the answer, its a question and the answer is always yes.
Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.
Saw someone wearing that shirt in a shopping mall in the UK!
$50 each no doubt
That's how bands make most of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.
They could just play shows at venues not owned by Ticketmaster
The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.
This is correct, and also, Nazis don't care about good faith argumentation. They're explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction ("You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?")
In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It's about power and results, not liberalist idealism.
Violent methods usually aren't the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it's harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it's riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it's kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don't worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they're the government, their violence is now legal.
these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction ("You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?")
Nazis want to take that freedom
Of course, but it's there now and they're happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn't care less.
History has proven this.
The violence came from outside the country last time. That's not happening this time.
Nazis deserve to be shot and killed
Nazi is a mental illness, sequester them and heal, or keep boxed forever incommunicado to prevent spread of the disease.
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I wanna hear everyone's fight music! I've been leaning on RTJ the last few days.
Probably a lot of obvious choices on here, but I like to think of it as honoring the classics of the genre, and hopefully there are a few entries which are new to folks.
- Crime Mob - Knuck if You Buck (this goes at the start of the playlist, because, in my experience, playing this to a crowd of significant size will result in hands being thrown somewhere, it is a statistical inevitability)
- Godsmack - I Stand Alone
- ~~Pantera - Walk~~ Phil Anselmo is a Nazi shit weasel and I was unaware.
- Limp Bizkit - Rollin
- Rage Against the Machine - Fistful of Steel
- Lil Wayne ft Eminem- Drop the World
- CKY - 96 Quite Bitter Beings
- DMX - X Gon Give It To Ya
- Ludacris - Get Back
- KMFDM - Free Your Hate
- Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
- Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide
- Static-X - Push It
- DJ Shadow ft Run the Jewels - Nobody Speak
- Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand
- Slipknot - People=Shit
- Slayer - Raining Blood
- Holy Fuck - Tom Tom
- Danzig - Mother
- Queens of the Stone Age - You Think I Ain't Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire (gotta find an edit without the intro tho)
- Mastodon - Blood and Thunder
- Mïngle Härder (formerly Möngöl Hörde) - Blistering Blue Barnacles
Two nautical themed metal/hardcore songs which get me ready to tussle isn't a lot, but it is weird that it happened twice.
- Rise Against - State of the Union
- Coheed and Cambria - Key Entity Extraction V: Sentry the Defiant (with honorable mention to In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3 and Welcome Home)
- Chevelle - The Red
- Bullet For My Valentine - Waking the Demon
- Eve 6 - Think Twice
- Hole - Violet
- Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off
- Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet With Butterfly Winds
That seems like enough brainstorming for now. Hope someone finds something they vibe with.
I've known about KMFDM for a long time but discovered Free Your Hate about this time in 2017, it's too bad it's that relevant again but at least we've got some good Nazi-punching music.
In all honesty, I have no idea how I came across that song. Despite some of the other selections that are also in that mold, industrial metal isn't actually a genre I fuck with that much. I'm open to it, especially as I've continued to get comfortable in some of the less melodic subgenres, but the actual wave of popularity these bands were riding on missed me as a kid and ive come to it later.
I assume that it must have been included in a video game soundtrack of some kind? In fact, as I've been writing this comment, I think it may have been a part of the Brutal Legend soundtrack, and I had all of that stuff on my iPod at the time.
Song do go pretty hard tho, don't it?
Definitely need to take Pantera off your Nazi fighting list.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for letting me know, I'll edit that immediately. The worst part is that I've conditioned myself to cope with the news I've just received by listening to Pantera.
+1 for State of the Union and Sentry the Defiant. I also see your Waking the Demon and raise you one You want a Battle? (Here's a War). I don't know if we're all against Anti-flag with Justin Sane being a trash human, but their catalogue is still good for this situation.
I almost don't want to know, especially given what someone else shared with me about Pantera's lead singer; but, given what I'm sure you've inferred from my selection, Anti-Flag was very much in my rotation for a couple of years. So, in the interest of doing the bare minimum necessary to claim I haven't been ostriching the WHOLE time since the election, what revelations have come to light about this guy?
State of the Union has been one of my favorites to the point I honestly forgot it's not a single
Propaghandi is a big one for me since they're from my city, but also Dead Kennedys, NoFX, Stray From the Path, Jeff Rosenstock
Edit:
I have more 😈:
- John K. Samson/The Weakerthans
- Nick Shoulders
- Jesse Welles
- The Narcissist Cookbook
- Jason Isbell
- John Prine
- Woody Guthrie
- The Coup
- Larry and his Flask
- Jordan Smart
- Phil Ochs
- Watchhouse
- Warren Zevon
- Elvis Costello
- The Orphans
- Mischief Brew
- The Tillers
- Country Joe McDonald
- Barbara Dane
- They Might be Giants
- David Rovics
Sorry, music and finding it is a special interest.
Don't be sorry ✊
Of that list, I know TMBG. Always a fav of mine, and I appreciate their attempts to educate and promote science. The sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma!
I love the fact that the song you quoted is a kind of retraction of another, less scientifically accurate song of theirs.
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas...
It is, but they adopted it. It was originally written by Hy Zaret. They give him credit, of course, but it became theirs to steward.
They've definitely been one of my faves as well since I was a kid and found them while watching Malcom in the Middle
Add Leslie Fish to the list!
Thanks so much! I'm building a playlist so I'm always happy to take suggestions :)
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Maybe Im basic but Rise Against still hits. Sudden Urge goes hard. Also turns out they just released a new song within the last 24h that I need to listen to
I need to poke at their newer stuff. I kinda stopped paying attention to their new releases after Black Market and the one single they released a couple years after that, but there's a few songs that hit that older style like The Eco Terrorist in Me that still go hard. I do respect that even as the sound left my general preferred punk sound, their lyrics remained as complex and literary as always (seriously how often are you looking up words from song lyrics in a dictionary?)
From old timey union fight songs (ex Workers of the world, Awaken) to protest rock. The Swedish band Nationalteatern have a great banger "Staten och Kapitalet" about that the state and the capital sit in the same boat, but it is not those who row and the whip does not lick their fat necks.
I've been loving the old Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, Billy Bragg, and Barbara Dane
This music just hits so hard
Dead Prez been radical and vocal about social and political issues since long before everyone else got there. Music is probably dated by now but their messages have always been consistent and they are very applicable today.
Basically anything off of Idles' 2020 masterpiece, Ultra Mono. Grounds is probably the most direct fight song. My other favorites are War, Mr. Motivator, and Carcinogenic.
Guys he's just a Nationalsozialistische
He's supporting ya'll americans Führer
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