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In my experience the only times I've had a stable experience was
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when I actually only installed packages I needed i.e using a window manager instead of a DE (and no bloat packages which I'll eventually lose track of)
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using an atomic distro, my favourite so far has to be bluefin which is part of the Ublue project based on Fedora Silverblue. NixOS is also great but it gives me the urge to pointlessly tinker instead of getting actual stuff done.
In the past I've seen flatpaks and containers as bloated and messy solutions which tainted my computer but now that I've tried it, It's actually very convenient.
I've always installed a crap ton of packages for gaming which turns into this inevitable mess, but with containers I just use bazzzite-arch and be done with it. It wraps all my gaming packages in one neat container.
Me hoping 6.13 fixes the AMD iGPU issue introduced with 6.12.
Go back to 6.11
I had this when going from Ubuntu 20 to 22 last week. Luckily the universe made sense again when going from 22 to 24, breaking halfway the installation and putting my laptop in a fucked up state between 22 and 24. Caused me a whole afternoon of headaches
I’m in the 4th box where there’s nothing to do so you try something new and botch up systemd or netplan or something enough to warrant a fresh install and start again
Ohh, but the pain of discovering that it broke something important, but not often used, 3 months later....
🤣🤣🤣💀
Debian stable. I don't understand why people would want an unstable system.
I get wanting the latest applications, and by that I mean end-user tools one uses frequently, e.g. Blender or Steam, but for anything that those rely on, very very rarely does one genuinely need anything "new" urgently. I'd argue pretty much never but I'd be curious to discover counter examples. Just fa couple of days ago https://lemmy.ml/post/24882836/16154377 arguing about the topic too. Even for drivers for gaming, which are supposedly changing relatively "fast" there is rarely an actual need for it. Quite often it's a desire to get the latest but the actual impact is not that significant.
TL;DR: IMHO stable system with security updates running few bleeding edge apps isolated is the best compromise.
Or, you know, use something like Fedora that gives you both.
Care to explain how it does in a way that other distributions don't?
It doesn't
I don’t understand why people would want an unstable system
Sometimes people don't want to wait 2 years to get the improvements, new features or fixes for the packages they use daily.
I tried running mint on a new laptop I bought.
Because the hardware was newer I ran into issue after issue trying to get various drivers and basic things functioning.
Moved to Endeavor, smooth as ice, everything just worked.
So at least from my experience hardware age seems to matter too.
You can update to the latest kernel in Mint.
That I understand, and I'm also on that boat. That's what I tried to express separating the system, i.e. parts with dependencies, vs "just" applications and giving an example like Blender.
I understand for that aspect but for anything that is lower down the stack IMHO what are actual features needed and people can't wait on are very very few and the trade off is probably for most people not worth it.
Obviously not everybody has the same taste for risk and some people might find it thrilling to install a system back at a random moment if it brings them 1 FPS extra or a very obscure feature that nobody else needs so I find it great that alternative exist. What I'm arguing for though is that people who do take a higher risk do so knowingly.
Edit: as an example of bleeding edge, there are some applications I download from the repository, build and run so they are basically as new as they can be. Again this is extremely precious to me, but it's not part of the "system", they are "leafs" on the dependency tree thus never leading to any catastrophic effect.
I’m on fedora 41 and gaming is almost perfect on it, the final hurdles are some VRR refinements and HDR. These are supposedly coming in f42 so I’d rather not wait god knows how long on Debian for these features to show up. However once the features arrive and I run into issues with F42, I’ll consider Deb.
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Windows: You got a kernel panic from an update just once this week? I went through two BSODs today!
Mac: It'd happen more often if I actually had software! You get everything!
Arch: While getting updates can cause crashes sometimes, new stuff is fun.
Debian: You guys are getting updates?
Debian: You guys are getting updates and crashes?
Oh we get updates, after all the other distros have spilled their blood all over them for us first. Why do you think they call it bleeding edge?
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What? I never had an update break my system on Arch, even with nvidia proprietary drivers.
Not break my system, but definitely had individual functionality that stopped working. But a quick search of the news for "manual intervention" items (or just web searching for my issue) would result in a very quick turnaround time.
Maybe I should go back to maining Arch.
2-3 years ago, an update to GRUB completely fucked the bootloader on Arch systems. I remember it well because it was the only time I was thankful for choosing Manjaro (which receives updates on a delayed schedule).
(edit) Found it! https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/ A breaking change in the GRUB configuration caused systems to become unbootable. Manual intervention was required to regenerate the config files (I think it was supposed to be handled by a pacman hook but can't be sure).
Upgrading on arch involves looking at the arch news. And IIRC, there was also a warning for some time when upgrading grub. So, assuming people who use arch, btw, use it properly, I don't see the issue.
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Is this some sort of Arch joke I'm too stable and usable to understand?
Next update: the same thing breaks again. After searching forums, you notice a pattern going back to 2002.
Ackshyually your distro can't get "stable" in an update. "stable" means that the distro should not have any new issues introduced with updates in the first place.
Ackshyually stable only relates to the release schedule. Stability is not reliability.
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What is stable? I just run nix flake update then brew a coffee to accompany me for the next 12 hours
On my new Lenovo with a brand install of Fedora, DNF was reporting 10KiB/s disk writes when installing packages. That was a long long upgrade but fortunately all that got fixed by the upgrade.
Which distro? I’ve upgraded Mint on the weekend. The installer failed with an error where i couldn’t get good infos about online.
Then i just rebooted the system out of frustration. Surprisingly it seems to work fine.
Is there a distro where upgrades just work? Maybe Fedora? Or i just install arch on the system, it works great on my server for the last 10 years without reinstall.
Fedora and Arch are pretty good. The magic sauce (my guess) is that they both pretty much release just upstream software without trying to "fix" them unless things are totally broken.
EndeavourOS just works on my machine..
Works on my machine^tm
Ysk, the unicode number for ™ is 0x2122. You can type any unicode hexcode on linux by pressing Ctrl+shift+u followed by typing the code then pressing enter.
While I'm here, a couple other easy and handy unicodes to remember: en dash: – 0x2013 em dash: — 0x2014
Most people use a normal dash instead of these, but en and em dashes are technically more correct in some cases
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Upgrading my Nobara from 40 to 41 stopped my nvidia driver crashes in wayland for now, i hope it's not just a fluke :-)
When my arch testing prod server reboots cleanly after a kernel update
nothing but lies
I updated the the other day and now my system boots to a grub prompt; I have to type exit and then it starts normally.
I'd figure out how to fix it, but I reboot so infrequently that I keep forgetting about it.
I feel like running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg would probably fix that.
Disclaimer: I mostly have no idea what I'm talking about.
Yup! That's definitely the solution
Disclaimer: me neither
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