When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
Well I no longer will be recommending proton to people. Can't trust anyone this stupid with privacy.
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ivpn and Tutanota for email/calendar/contacts. And honestly, if you're comfortable with self hosting your own stuff, Nextcloud can manage your files, calendar, contacts and all kinds of other stuff.
Just canceled my subscription and let them know in the comments it was because of this.
It's a shame. As soon as my current VPN ran out, I was going to give them some money. I guess he should have kept his MAGA thoughts to himself.
I can deal with Andy Yen being a dumbass in his own time, but the official Proton reddit account doubling down on this shit is over the line for me.
I literally just renewed for 2 years a couple days ago. I will be looking for alternatives and hopefully I can get a partial refund or something.
Was about to pay for proton. Not now
I'm glad I never did. I looked into proton a few months back and was highly suspicious of their non-profit status. I could never put my finger on why but felt off.
Glad I never fully committed to it.
There’s Mullvad.
Do you happen to know any alternatives for their email? Some security guy on YouTube was talking about how their email aliasing is better because if you lose a single email/password combo, you're not subject to any other breaches.
I mean I already use a password manager since I adopted KeePass like 15 years ago and use Bitwarden now, but I still like that concept.
I have heard Tuta is good.
Mentioning that Democrats are trash on dealing with corporations is just fine. Good, even.
Lying through your god damn teeth that Republicans are going to do anything other than lie to gain more leverage for their jihad to fuck over their fellow man is delusional at best.
Fuck. I was procrastinating on buying into their VPN and drive service to de-googlify. Looks like that's off the menu and I am deleting all my burner accounts now. Fucking bruh.
Any good alternatives that have the password/identity manager and email? I'm ready to switch.
I was thinking about perhaps moving things to Proton, being European and all, and touting privacy etc. Looks like that won’t happen.
Getting real fuckin tired of having to always find 'alternatives'. Can't yall rich bastards just stop being weird and be content with making good products. Just cause you have money, doesn't mean you need to have a public opinion on anything, ever
This is what I feel is the core problem of out-of-bounds capitalism today. 50-80 years ago there were fabulously wealthy people as well, but they were taxed out the wazoo and were still fabulously wealthy. And even though every corporation's goal is, and always has been, to make profit, it feels as if it's gone from "profit" to "maximum possible profit at ALL costs, including the damnation of life on the planet".
We have plenty of examples of hypercapitalism destroying us in fiction (cyberpunk etc.) but our current reality is really really close to that hellscape. In some ways it's actually worse because of the insidiousness and banality of the evil that lords over us daily.
Sorry im not from the US… what is a “wazoo”?
wazoo = anus
It's written as "up the wazoo" or "out the wazoo." "Wazoo" in this context means "ass" and the meaning as a whole is "in large amounts."
It's just a figure of speech to denote "completely", or "very much".
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Damn, and I just switched to proton because they have port forwarding and moderate NAT so that I can effectively seed torrents.
People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
So shut the fuck up Andy, you're out of your element.
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I'll be leaving Proton fucking immediately.
just cancelled my auto renew, now I gotta find a way to manage all my custom emails again rip
I’m in the same boat. SimpleLogin is a nice feature, but if this is Proton’s position, they don’t get more of my money.
Firefox Relay seems like a good, free choice?
Duckduckgo's email service
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If there's a way for the rest of Proton to force him out, now would be a good time to save face.
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I... very much do not like this. But the reality is that tech companies are FULL of libertarian tech bro types who only care about "policy" as it equates to their bottom line. And a LOT of companies are going to suck up to trump in the hopes of not being made an example of by the wannabe mafia administration. And the follow up response is still bullshit but it is useful idiot bullshit, if that makes sense.
Gonna look for alternatives but not optimistic.
And a LOT of companies are going to suck up to trump in the hopes of not being made an example of by the wannabe mafia administration.
I could almost excuse that if they were American, but they are Swiss, as is Andy.
They do a lot of business in the US and would likely not want to get banned at a time when people are genuinely looking for a VPN that doesn't pretend it will fight off seal team six for you or an email service that isn't run by google.
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