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[–] Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 5 hours ago

I almost don't want to. If you can't handle honesty, truths or straightforward and shoot-straight kind of opinions. Then engaging in communication is simply not for you and nobody should have to walk on eggshells all of the time to appease someone's incapable sense of getting the point.

[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

Not often. Certainly not when I'm shouting into the void.

When I'm answering a question or responding to a statement, I'll generally match the level of the existing discussion. I still try to say what I mean, but I'll try to avoid concepts with a lot of missing prerequisites. Target audience matters too, if you ask me how orbital rendezvous works, you'll get a different answer depending on where you ask the question. For example, I'd probably skip explaining how orbits themselves work if you asked in a community dedicated to kerbal space program or children of a dead earth, focusing instead on what the person asking is probably trying to do. Similarly, a comment in a community dedicated to real life space exploration is getting a more detailed answer than the same question in a community for the general public. Basically different assumptions about what the person already knows, and what the person wants to find out.

[–] ChaoticNumber@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yes and no.

I think that there is a fine line between dumbing something down and sounding condescending. In time, I found that not treating people like morons is the best approach, i.e. accessible language and simple explanations must be used to aid in the speed and understanding of the information you are disseminating.

Because nobody wants to sit there and brainstorm something they don't understand, they'll just move on. But if you treat them like babies, people will just be annoyed and stop paying attention.

So its quite the nuanced subject, communication is an art-form.

We've all seen the "I'm very smart" people who come to social media, use random vocabulary vomit because they want to sound smart, and it happens here a lot. I agree with you, that's great if you can, and I won't say you "have to dumb yourself down", but often they do it to sound smart and want to feel superior because they think most people understand.

Actually a lot of people do understand them, they're just eye rolling at how pretentious they're being.

There's a balance. After all why use many word when some word do trick?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 21 hours ago
[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Simplified writing is good writing.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i don't bother to simplify it even though i probably should since people hate it so much they try to take their anger out on me.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think you have any need to simplify, but some more punctuation would definitely help with the readability of your comment

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

americans & proper grammar/punctuation don't mix. lol

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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 12 points 1 day ago

only after the downvotes.

Never assume your audience are idiots unless proven otherwise.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 8 points 1 day ago

Nah, I'm just this dumb.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

As my favorite philosopher, Natalie Wynn, said

I think it's heartwarming gibberish but there is also, I think, a legitimate role in the discourse for heartwarming gibberish. Sometimes you have to explain what being trans is to a person who believes that dogs go to heaven and, in most circumstances, saying "I'm a female soul in a male body" gets the point across.

As a disabled, trans, vegan, anarchist my life and beliefs are far more complicated than I could express in a comment section. So I tend not to lead with any of those labels and instead focus on quippy one liners about personal liberty from goverment or religious institutions.

No random person wants to read my nuanced memoirs, but they will read and remember pithy snark. I'm an anarchist that sounds like a libertarian fool, but it's the language that more people in mixed company relate to.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

I'm disappointed there was no quippy one-liner or pithy snark in your comment. ☹️

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 4 points 1 day ago

I try not to label myself. it's extremely limiting by design. and this is a space where those limitations don't matter if you don't let them.

That being said I often self identify in the context of conversations about my interests.

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A kind of politics-flavored smalltalk. Yes, that is the local dialect.

Believe it or not, I have discussed subjects that matter deeply to me in online forums. But lately it's just fruitless fishing.

I think we have a thousand mob-squawks posing as niche communities. Different flavors, same conversations.

Completely open and popular forums are not entirely a good thing.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I try to be as simple as I can be without compromising the integrity of the points I make.

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I think everybody should "dumb themselves down" on social media. Since you can only assume other people's background on a given topic and their grasp of (for example) English, you should write in a way that's understandable to as many people as possible while still getting your point across. That's just how good communication works.

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Closest things I use that's social media adjacent was Reddit and now here. I would say the two sites after years helped me dumb things down. Which was a real problem for me before hand. In college I was told, I was brilliant and had all the answers but I had a real problem communicating with most people.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

I do so less here than I would other places.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not really but I do know my audience and I will alter the presentation of information

I try to rewrite for an audience that's unfamiliar with American idioms and will read any disagreement in a snotty tone of voice.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

"Dumbing down" has tended to only cause problems for me, since if I'm too laconic and straightforward about a point, people will let their own biases color how they interpret my words, and their interpretations tend not to be as charitable as I'd like. It really is best nine times out of ten to just say what you're thinking in as few or as many words as comes naturally, with whichever words feel natural.

[–] lemmyman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I do when I'm arguing with conservatives on Reddit. Otherwise I strive for clarity and simplicity but not dumbness

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Not really dumbing it down so much as framing in accessible language.

[–] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 2 points 1 day ago

All the fucking time because it's not worth the effort and time

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I almost never do. It's actually a bit weird, I tend to ramble more in writing than I ever would while speaking and usually end up with mini-essays even for relatively straightforward ideas.

This is two-pronged, partly because I enjoy writing and expressing myself through it more than I do speaking, but it's mostly because I'm obsessive about conveying nuances with as much precision as I can, especially in a medium as restrictive to conveyance as writing is (thinking about not having non-verbal and other purely contextual cues at my disposal).

It's not like I intentionally bring out the expensive words just to flaunt my vocabulary (I even have issues with being perceived as pretentious), it's just that some things simply require the extra precision when expressing their full complexity.

P.S.: Jesus Christ...

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago
[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Dumbing things down is a sign of respectlessness towards the audience. So no. I am not doing this. I sometimes write things in a shorter way due to the nature of the medium, though.

But my Mastodon instance is configured to allow up to 5000 character per message, so there is plenty of space if I feel like.

[–] dogerwaul@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if anything i smarten up. text allows me to organize my thoughts and analyze my word choices. i can say much more and provide more detail over text. when i talk i feel stupid lol.

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I relate. I sound like a genius in writing, relatively speaking. I guess it's not uncommon.

[–] dogerwaul@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i have ADHD and i’m certain there’s a connection.

You want real-ass harry potter magic? ADHD/Sperg/Autist is the gateway. I think that this is missing from the alternative. Like you have an itty bitty piece of 3d matter embedded in your 2d, flatland-living, flatland-society self.

[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago

A little bit. If I offer too specific expert knowledge I could be doxxing myself, so I make a version that sounds like I just picked it out from the top search engine result, but works well enough as an answer.

I try and use less words to get a point across, but in no way do I blunt or soften the point I am trying to make.

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