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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's never a question of how evil they're capable of being, but how competent.

Plenty of conspiracy theories don't work because they'd require hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people to completely shut up.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Yeah. MK Ultra tracked, faking the moon landing didn't.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The bottom fox should look the same as the top fox. After they've believed it for decades, their ego is on the line. They will argue that the evidence is bad, or it was always obvious, or that it's overblown.

[–] fnrir@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

bottom fox

Poor choice of words.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Phrasing, Lana!

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 142 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's never that I think they aren't evil enough, I just don't trust conspiracies that require too much competency. I think most of them are too dumb and uncoordinated to pull off most of the conspiracies I hear about.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If you’ve ever tried to coordinate more than 50 people to do a thing, you quickly realize why people refer to management and leadership jobs as “herding cats.”

If someone gave me the option of faking the moon landing or going to the moon, I’d gladly strap a submarine to a missile.

It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You ever heard of a little trillion dollar operation known as the NSA?

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s not the size of the organization, it’s the size of the team with a particular piece of information, and the monetary or moral pressure to release a particular piece of information.

Also, the NSA famously has had leakers. The biggest and most notable being Snowden in 2013.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

A dozen leakers from a secret police that has employed hundreds of thousands, across decades, is not the example you think it is.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It be fucking impossible to coordinate hundreds of people on the world’s biggest secret, then make them and their families abide by media training for half a century.

Yes you can. The Manhattan Project was the blueprint for this.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“Half a century” is the big challenge in that sentence. The Manhattan project started in 42 and Japan was bombed in 45.

They also had near slips with the press and foreign espionage happening within the project. That would’ve been real tough to keep secret from the public for decades.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The challenges can be overcome with sufficient money. If the secret keepers are convinced they are keeping quiet for the public good then there is very little resistance.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No they mean eventually someone will fuck up, especially, given a long enough period of time. No amount of money can account for occasional clumsiness.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

With sufficient compartmentalisation the risk of individual clumsiness can be mitigated.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

For a time. The Manhattan project wouldn't've been able to stay secret for 20 years

Maybe the things that been kept secret for more than 20 are still being kept secret.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/katie-engelhart-britains-secrets-mandy-banton-321/

Maybe the things that been kept secret for more than 20 are still being kept secret.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/katie-engelhart-britains-secrets-mandy-banton-321/

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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Yeah, especially the COVID conspiracies are mostly brain dead stuff

The whole world pretty much stopped, which helps absolutely no one, but somehow those guys think, that a dark force is trying to kill the economy for...profit?

Also all the scientists and doctors are together in bed and just want people to stay indoors, because... I have absolutely no clue

It just didn't make sense from the start.

Although I do get scepticism against new vaccine methods, but when someone tries to "explain" to me, that mRNA somehow overwrites my DNA and I should drink bleach instead...I usually don't even know where to start to correct them

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if the dark forces were billionaires and you look at their wealth growth explosion since the pandemic....someone could be forgiven for thinking there was a conspiracy there. Means and motive, alongside a sociopathic disregard for the common person..

You should advise them to drink bleach and prove its efficacy. For science.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Buy, when there is blood on street - or something like that was the saying
So obviously, people with money can exploit times, when everyone loses money/has no income and gets desperate

But triggering a global epidemic, would be more than overkill - imho, maybe in the heads of billionaires it makes sense

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

especially the COVID conspiracies

  • Lab leak initially labelled as a conspiracy theory.

  • Darpa proposal to perform GoF research on coronaviruses.

  • Airborne transmission actually true.

  • Vaccine doesn't stop transmission

  • Natural Immunity providing superior protection (no science supporting vaccine mandates for recovered patients).

  • Event 201 plan followed to the letter.

  • Government sponsored censoring of social media

  • Vaccine nanoparticles

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The only one you sourced doesn't say anything about what you claim. I'm not denying that there are some questions here that need answering but most of this is just bullshit.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 6 days ago

Half of those are not even conspiracies, nor even controversial.

"A pharmacist saw several black particles in one vial of the vaccine"

I included that source because people usually deny it happened. All of the others are also true, but I'm not going to spend hours feeding the sealions. As a gesture of good faith I'll provide a source for one more of your choosing.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 72 points 1 week ago (8 children)

They would kill you and everything you love if it meant they’d get more money. Never forget that.

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[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Conspiracies and conspiracy theories are two very different things. The reason people scoff at conspiracy theories is because they are often times wrong and/or vague. How many *verified conspiracies actually started as a 'conspiracy theory'.

Edit: * added for clarification

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 days ago

Let's be fair, if I told you that a UFO cult led by a sci-fi writer performed a massive infiltration of the US government (the largest ever detected) in order to whitewash itself in official records you'd have thought I was wacko before Operation: Snow White came to light. The same UFO cult also had a number of their agents insert themselves into the life of a journalist who had written negative things about them in an attempt to get her to either off herself or be institutionalized, dubbed Operation: Freakout which was only uncovered in the aftermath of the discovery of Operation: Snow White.

The UFO cult in question is Scientology.

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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I feel like Conspiracy theories are at least partially the result of a lack of regulation and oversight for governing bodies and corporate entities.

For example... the atomic energy commission approved experimenting on disabled children by feeding radioactive oats to them.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/spoonful-sugar-helps-radioactive-oatmeal-go-down-180962424/

It's one of the reasons we have laws like informed consent now.

Everytime we run into something new, like radiation, some company or government branch does some seriously unethical shit with it and new laws and regulations are written.

So it's like we're all just waiting to find out what new fucked up thing has happened, and how many corporations are gonna fight any proposed regulations regarding it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

And that's why i say that US law is one of the most reactive.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago

It's why we should regulate them into the ground, and give them 0 trust. Get rid of lobbying, screw profit, the economic damage from all the scams, suffering, and death in the long-term is more than enough to make any gain in profit meaningless.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Its already happening again with meat, dairy, poultry, fish, and alcohol.

Lesser known ones like bath soaps and shampoos, detergents, lotions, gas ovens and heaters are also experiencing this.

how else are we supposed to get data on how radiation effects children? Fukushima? Hiroshima? No, neither of those was controlled and both of thosehad goals like "reducing exposure" and "saving lives" by the local government.

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 days ago

how else are we supposed to get data on how radiation effects children? Fukushima? Hiroshima? No, neither of those was controlled and both of thosehad goals like "reducing exposure" and "saving lives" by the local government.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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