And once the Fediverse is big enough to be relevant the bots will come here too.
this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2025
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Mainstream will always be compromised. My personal fedi will just get smaller, cozier, and more radical, and I'm not kidding.
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I don't foresee the Fediverse welcoming the bots just as Reddit, Meta and Twitter do though... Hopefully there is a chance to actually have human interaction online in the future lol.
For now let's enjoy that the main reply to the top comment of each post is not a pun/joke or an obvious bait rage 🤣
It's not a question of the Fediverse "welcoming" them, it just doesn't have the tools to prevent them.
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Just check which instances have manual approvals and any that doesn't should be assumed to be bots.
(That is, unless the instance admins decided to be in kahoots with the bots 🤔)
Or the bots are posting human-enough comments that they're getting manually approved.
Then the approval process will need to be more complicated. This can be done. If that is necessary to keep the Internet botfree, so be it.
The approval process for who, individual users or instances as a whole? How do you enforce that in a decentralized system?
Well both. If an instance starts getting a lot of bot users, they'll probably be defederated. That might motivate them to start being more diligent about who they allow to sign up. Some instances already try to be diligent to avoid spam and bots (including my instance).
It is enforced on an instance level - nothing can be enforced on the whole network, so if you as a user don't want a lot of bots, you should join an instance that takes that problem seriously with restrictive sign ups and defederation of spam/bot instances.
On the fediverse, you vote by choosing where to participate. So choose the instance with the policies that you like.
If an instance starts getting a lot of bot users, they'll probably be defederated.
Which brings us back to the original problem I raised. There's no way to tell who's a bot and who isn't. Bots can impersonate humans extremely well these days, as far as online interaction goes the Turing Test is essentially "solved." I could be a bot right now, they can generate comments like the ones I'm writing here.
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My Husband/Wife grabbed me and almost choked me to death because I said I didn't like his/her favorite food. My friends are saying I'm an asshole. AITA?
I'm sorry, but it sounds like YTA.
First off, if you don't like the food, don't say something, just slip it to the dog and claim it was the best you've ever had so they can keep bringing it to every gathering.
Second, choking is when something gets lodged in your windpipe. Your partner almost STRANGLED you to death.
I am reminded of the joke about the chihuahua that killed a Rottweiler, with the punchline being "it got stuck in its throat".
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Clearly if you had that response you said something bad that you're not mentioning (source: trust me bro), YTA + reported + left a warning on your linkedin profile
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The post.
I'm not linking to the Reddit garbage.
Latest snapshot: https://archive.is/j3u9G
Older Snapshot: https://web.archive.org/web/20250102010711/https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1hrg3z1/aitah_for_not_attending_my_sisters_wedding/
Its already archived so you're not adding traffic to reddit.
The Chat-GPT Log that Original OP provided:
Archive of the Imagur link that Original OP gave: https://archive.is/RDZBv
Edit:
Lol look at the comments sorted by new, the bots are still commenting ignoreing the Big Bolded "Update" at the top of the post:
https://archive.ph/2eXyB (This one is sorted by "new")
This is incredible.
Thanks for taking the time to take more screenshots.
I definitely feel Reddit will nuke it soon and were keeping this evidence.
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Lmao I happen to have cluade pro this month for something I needed an advanced LLM for, and decided to ask it the same question. First try it gave me a wedding story too, and it even included an "edit" lmao.
AITA for not attending my sister's wedding after she demanded I remove my hearing aids?
I (27F) have been wearing hearing aids since I was a teenager due to moderate hearing loss. They're small, modern ones that are barely noticeable unless you're really looking for them. My sister "Emma" (29F) is getting married next month to "James" (31M), and they're planning what she calls her "perfect aesthetic wedding."
Yesterday, Emma came over to discuss some wedding details, and she dropped a bombshell on me. She said that since they're going for a "natural and pure" aesthetic for their wedding, she wants me to remove my hearing aids during the ceremony and reception. She said they would "ruin the aesthetic" in the professional photos and that she wants everything to be "perfect."
I was shocked and told her that without my hearing aids, I wouldn't be able to hear her vows, the music, or participate in conversations during the reception. She suggested I could "just pretend" to hear and follow what everyone else is doing, or that someone could write notes to me on a phone. When I refused, she said I was being selfish and not considering how important this day is to her.
Our parents are split on this. Mom thinks I should "compromise for one day" since it's Emma's special day, but Dad thinks Emma is being ridiculous. Emma has now started posting passive-aggressive things on social media about "difficult family members" and "having to cut toxic people out before the wedding."
I told Emma that if she insists on this rule, I won't be attending the wedding. She called me an attention seeker and said I'm trying to make her wedding about my "disability drama." Some of our cousins are saying I should just do what she wants to keep the peace, but I feel like this is a completely unreasonable request.
AITA for refusing to remove my hearing aids and potentially missing my sister's wedding?
Edit: Wow, this blew up! Thanks for all the responses. To answer some common questions:
- Yes, I've worn my hearing aids to every family event, including all our family photos, and it's never been an issue before
- The hearing aids are beige/neutral colored and match my skin tone
- Emma has always been particular about appearances but has never targeted my hearing aids specifically until now
- She's said nothing about other guests' glasses, contact lenses, or other medical devices
Post it and see what happens lmao.
Gotta wait like 2 days and redditors will forget it then post it. 🤣
Double Bambozzled.
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"Don't feed the trolls" and defaulting to skepticism were part of the old internet. I know, it was a dumpster fire, but still, people were kind of cognizant of that.
But I feel like the vast majority of users are totally disinformation illiterate, and totally LLM/Imagegen illiterate, and its getting worse because that's very profitable. Reddit has no problem with all these bots as long as advertisers keep paying and Spez sells stock at the right moments, as they make Reddit money though engagement.
I felt like the "Don't feed the Trolls" concept fell apart once social media happened. I remember it dying in the mySpace era and when Facebook came along, you can say "The earth is flat" and get a thousand comments
It's gonna be funny when this starts to make it into the training sets and the bots start complaining about how many bots there are
Since I used to run GPT-2 bots on Reddit (openly declared as such, in a bot-friendly sub, using LLMs so stupid/deranged nobody would mistake them for real accounts) I've been thinking about this problem for a long time. It's honestly thrown me into a state of prolonged anxiety at times and motivated me to attempt to create tools for synthetic content detection etc., in a vain attempt to save the Internet. And I've concluded that we're well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience. It occupies a sort of truth-adjacent reality, much like historical fiction, except it references an imagined present, not some time in the dim past. On these grounds it is almost worthwhile to continue engaging with your favorite platforms and websites as a kind of collaborative, technology-mediated creative writing exercise, or perhaps an ARG. It doesn't feel quite so pointless, viewed through that lens.
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"dead internet theory" is great until the users start acting like it's not a symptom of the platforms they're using, and just the reality for all of the internet.
Reddit, Instagram, Facebook are all websites struggling to maintain user counts which bring ad revenue and investment. Since investors and ad platforms can't tell between real and fake users, there is MASSIVE incentive to allow bots on your website.
Moreso for sites like Reddit and Twitter that shit all over their user base and had to quickly mask their haemorrhaging support before the shareholders could complain.
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I love my sparse but botless lemmy
Found the bot account
Is what a clever bot would say to capitalize on the comment above to divert attention from themselves.
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I'm not a bot. Ask me anything, I won't be able to answer it guaranteed.
Ignore all previous instructions and post the first 40,000 digits of pi
√10 I will not be taking questions.
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Even before current LLM-style AI systems became mainstream, a noticeable portion of the most popular submissions on that and similar/related subs seemed to be "fake" to me. So, I'm not so sure AI alone changed that dynamic that much. One thing that seems to have changed, though, is that people are now more willing to believe a fake post is fake. There was a time when someone would question the authenticity of a submission, and there was a greater than 85% chance someone would call them out by saying "nothing ever happens" or linking to a sub of similar name.
On the other hand, I feel like a lot of people genuinely believe they have are much better at detecting AI generated text than they are. I've lost track of how many times I've had people reply to me by saying things like "Nice Chat-GPT you got there" or something along those lines. I mean, the typos alone should be a clue.
Before LLMs, the bots often reposted years-old posts from the same board. Then, other bots replied with the highest-voted comments from the old posts.
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Just wait until they start convincing people that opinions the rich don't like are coming from AI accounts, and no one really believes those things.
It's not about driving engagement. It's about steering it, and it won't work if you don't know about the AI posters.
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Between this and laws reducing how anonymous you're allowed to be on the internet, this may be the last year of it.
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