Let's all welcome these new arrivals and make them realise that the World doesn't hate them as long as they don't subscribe to the genocidal ideology of Zionism.
this post was submitted on 01 Jan 2025
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To be fair they were fine with the genocide that was happening before they picked up the pace
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This is going to be like Russia, the smart and sane ones leave only for the dumb people remaining to prop up an authoritarian regime.
less dumb and more financially incapable to leave.
Where is this Galt's Gulch where all the world's sane and intelligent have fled? Because they sure aren't in America, and most of Europe isn't looking too brilliant either!
The problem is that after fleeing to a new place, it's hard to rebuild back to what you could have been. Especially when that new place is also xenophobic/exclusionary.
Refugees need a generation or two of rebuilding and growing into the new community to reach their full potential.
Unfortunately, the world has become very insular and hostile to newcomers trying to build a better life. Even ivy league NY liberals will destroy you for having a mildly different background than them, let alone the Putins and Trumps and their supporters.
What were the smart and sane ones even doing there in the first place.
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Where’s the argument for the new settlements in the West Bank when the population is declining?
Money for developers and grifters?
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Good thing they have the option to leave the country, probably for somewhere better, unlike the Palestinians.
I do not blame any of them for leaving. I probably would too. But I think this will also have a negative effect since it will mean fewer people who are against the genocide working against it from within. I'm not sure anything can be done about that though. It's too bad only those wealthy enough with the means to leave and a place to go who object to what's going on can do so.
As long as they life and work there they pay taxes that fund settlements, bombs, the salaries of their murderous soldiers...
Israel is by constitution an ethnonationalist state. They being there and having the citizenship also still gives it legitimacy.
I understand that, but they also vote. They also can protest inside the country. They also can organize others to be with them. There is a trade-off here. Let's not pretend there will not be any negative effects.
They have been doing these things for decades in Israel and things have only gotten worse. I think the more people that continue to leave and the more that can be discouraged from ever going there the better. One thing (among many) all these people can and should be encouraged to do is to renounce thier Israeli citizenship.
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Internal opposition to the genocide in Israel is scant. Too scant, unfortunately.
And making it even more scant won't help. Which is all I am saying.
I don't know why, but I am getting pushback here from multiple people who seem to be suggesting there's no point in opposing this from within and I just can't believe people can both oppose Israel and be that defeatist.
At this point I feel like opposition to Israel's activities might be more effectively directed at the foreign governments that are enabling it. Israel's going to oppress the Palestinians no matter what, but perhaps if they had a less reliable supply of bombs they'd take greater care in doing so and wouldn't be so bellicose with their neighbors.
I suppose they still vote from abroad, although elections will only happen in 2 years or so. But brain drain does affect the economy so it is in itself a "vote".
I heard that around 43% of Israel's population were immigrants, and they were born after 1993.
Not heard, is documented and real .
It's tricky to make those distinctions when you have people who are born there to immigrants, whose parents are 1 immigrant 1 not, whose grandparents are some mix of the two statuses, etc., when you're really trying to describe demographic shifts over time built on top of migration.
You catch the full picture just looking at broad demographic data 1800 to today. Roughly 3-4% of the population in the Palestine area is Jewish at the beginning of the 19th century - ranges from 5 to 14% Jewish by 1914 based on which source you check, by 1948 it's up to about a third, today about 50/50 (encompassing the same area). There's about 6 million Palestinians in diaspora now (from something like 1.5-2M fleeing in 1948, 1956, 1967, and other times). 5.7M registered with UNRWA. And we know that there were roughly 4 million Jewish immigrants since 1800 as well (primarily 1880 to today), with the large majority of those post-1948. The 1990s "post-Soviet aliyah" (migration) being the largest in the last few decades.
Well yeah, that other shoe is going to drop something fierce.
Gotta pump those numbers up.
It it continues that way it will be even physically a state made for war, surveillance, war edge technology, etc in favor and protection of west allies. With free to do whatever they want. Because where they are. They already showed it with the multiple (not just now) genocides of Palestines . The first one was "justified" on social opinión after WW2.
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