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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

....And then they mostly couldn't be bothered to actually get college degrees despite how cheap they were, yet still ended up with good careers capable of supporting entire households with only one person working anyway.

Despite his cynicism, even Bernie manages to understate the problem here!

[–] wwaxwork@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Just throwing out there, this was one generation out of however many to the dawn of time that was able to do this. And they did it on the backs of the hundreds of thousands of people that fought, starved and died to get unions established. For the vast majority of history, if you could work you worked man, woman & child because if you didn't your family starved. Then people fought for generations to get unions established and they finally did it and one single generation got the advantages of it before the next generation decided they didn't need no stinking unions as they were working white collar jobs and here we are. We're not standing together so we're falling together.

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[–] Smoothie_Criminal@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Hillary stole Bernie's nomination and robbed Americans of his presidency

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kokoapadoa@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because of America's dogshit election system, she won the popular vote.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd give anything to go back in time and see how that election goes differently with an Approval Vote.

[–] justhach@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, a candidate like Trump was not an "if" but a "when".

Even if the Dems had won that election, history has shown they they would not have made any real.changes. They would have done nothing to try and prevent something like the Trump Presidency from happening. They wouldnt have tried to fix the rigged gerrymandered districts, they wouldn't have pushed for voting reform, they wouldn't have tried to call put the insane rhetoric being put out by right wing propaganda machines, and they wouldn't have instilled better checks and balances on the presidency that relied on more than the assumtions of common decency, respect, and tradition.

Nah, they would have rested on their laurels for electing the first female president, and be caught with their pants down when the GOP successfully harnessed the resentment of angry white men for being "under the rule" of a black muslim socialist for eight years, and a satanic pedophile child eating woman for 4.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if the Dems had won that election, history has shown they they would not have made any real.changes.

THREE Supreme Court justices would have been very different today. Thats going two have repercussions for the next 3 generations.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Hillary didn't rob him of it; the Democratic Party robbed him of it.

[–] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It was the Democratic establishment and the corporate media that stole it. The biggest thing they fear is a candidate that puts the American people over corporate interests.

And then Biden did it 4 years later.

See the pattern? Combined with all the "left" side of democrats support for US imperialism.

Bernie and people like him ain't gonna change shit, not any more in the future that they did in a past decades. It's time to radicalise way beyond him and the lukewarm electoral socialdemocracy, the only thing that can change something for the better, and did in the past, is the organised working class.

[–] CallMeDuracell@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I wanted to believe this during the 2016 party primary like I needed to breathe. Hell, I STILL want to believe it. But the reality is that the American people robbed us of his presidency.

2016 was one of the first elections where Gen X, Gen Z, and Millennials collectively outvoted the boomers and the silent generation, by the slimmest of margins. It goes without saying how much the older generation drinks from of the neo-liberalism kool-aid. A self-professing socialist was always going to be a hard sell.

As far as the 2016 Democratic primary goes, Bernie got 1820 pledged (elected) and 45 unpledged (super/unelected) delegates. To win by one delegate, he would have needed to get 518 additional super delegates to overcome Hillary's pledged delegate lead over him. A win from him would have caused an outrage, since the unelected delegates would have overridden the elected (read: will) of the Democratic primary voters.

The most important thing American voters can do is to continue to demonstrably show how neo-liberal socio-economic politics is marching us to generational ruin to every voter you know, and then vote appropriately in every local, state, and federal election.

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[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Image Transcription: Twitter Post


Bernie Sanders, @BernieSanders

The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need 4,459.

The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. This is what we are going to change.


^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] QRay@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we keep the timestamp in when cropping a post from another website?

[–] NOPper@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

7:29 AM · Apr 24, 2019 for the record.

[–] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Bernie sanders screaming into the wind yet again.

Bernie i love ya but nobody is gonna do the things you say.

They are way too reasonable.

[–] ItchySunItchyKnee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Isn’t that kind of defeatist?

I don’t really have a horse in this race since I am not from the US.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's more cynicism than defeatism. People from the United States have pushed for these kinds of common sense reforms for our entire lives and we still have nothing to show for it.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fyi A full time job is 2080 hrs a year (40hrs/wk x 52 weeks).

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just use 2000 hours. It makes the math easier, plus anybody who doesn't get (at least!) two weeks of vacation with their full-time job is a chump who needs to unionize anyway.

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[–] ThesePaycheckAvenging@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's always good to focus on buying power. I bet you would get similarly ridiculous numbers when valuing food or housing in some normalized work hours (doesn't have to be minimum wage, could be median income too).

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] Ketchup@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I found my people. On Reddit this would have been on r/BernieSandersforpresident and I would have been the lostRedditor for suggesting otherwise

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the only solution to this problem is subsidies.

Subsidies knowledge works well around the world.

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