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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine's long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

The only thing that’s worse than having the US as your enemy, is having the US as your ally.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 7 points 57 minutes ago

Speak for yourself. A majority of Eastern Europeans see the US as a key strategic ally, and for good reason.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 1 points 4 minutes ago

ThE OnLy tHiNg tHaT’S WoRsE ThAn hAvInG ThE Us aS YoUr eNeMy, Is hAvInG ThE Us aS YoUr aLlY.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

Oh fuck off with that.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 66 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

I am so sad by how Ukraine has been handled.

The West should have been an overwhelming power against Russian imperialism. Ukraine should have been given everything from the beginning, no strings attached, with no self-imposed red lines.

They will swallow another democracy in 10-20 years and the cycle repeats.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Tactically, the plan is to make Russia bleed to death rather than temporarily paralyse it.

Maximizing the loss of russian life and draining the russian economy to the point that the population won't tolerate any further war is the goal. It's unfortunate that this is at the cost of ongoing war in Ukraine.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

everything keeps pointing to time being a circle, the same things will continue to happen every 20-30 years. like the show Dark.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Turns out neither the west or russia gives a shit about Ukraine.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

they'll give a shit once all other options have been exhausted, and people realize the next step is actual shooting war, with the bombs falling on Warsaw, Helsinki, Berlin, etc. When they realize they're on their last legs before the big one, then they'll take it seriously.

America is a write off, Regulatory captured by the Russian Federation / Russian Mob, Same thing At the very least until 2026 midterms. Europe is still in denial that its time to switch from butter, to guns. Literally

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

nothing for the US to steal.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There is a lot in Ukraine to "steal". It's a large land mass with a long border with both Belarussia and Russia. They still have plenty of Black Sea border, and with proper support could have lot more. Breadbasket of Europe, plenty of nuclear plants and knowledge in that area. The Zone. Ukrainian people, one of the oldest cultures in Europe with all that that entails.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

I don't think they have the oil reserved the US wants to steal

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago

Maybe no civilian targets. But other than that totally agree. We should have put lend lease circa 1940s to shame

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 96 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

This is arguably the whole point of the war.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

For Ukraine yes, but as far as Ukraine's allies go? Only in principle. In reality we help Ukraine because it fucks up Russia, but we don't give Ukraine the support it really needs or asks for because of [insert litany of excuses for years of delay on new weapons systems].

Proxy wars are nasty business, and Ukraine has precious little say in any of the macro decisions. Russia and Russia's ennemies collectively hold all the negociation leverage.
Zelenskyy's only hope is that domestic pressure will force the West to make a genuine effort at preserving as much of Ukraine's sovereignty as possible, hence this media intervention.

And he's right to be worried, because the situation in Palestine shows, again, that most Western governments only stick to their stated principles when it's politically convenient and shrug at literal genocide when it's not. And the Russian propaganda machine is going to work overtime to make us think that any Russian concession to Ukraine would be against European interests.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

I think it's worse than that. I think the building red tape was intentional to drag out the war as long as possible so Russia as always will continue to dump resources into it until it bankrupts them both militarily and economically.

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[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 332 points 22 hours ago (13 children)

It's fucking ridiculous he has to say it out loud

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Of course no one can negotiate on behalf of Ukraine. Ukraine is holding on thanks to the support of several parties, and those parties do have the right to continue or end that support depending on the conditions they see. I hope this never happens, but If the US says they’re okay with letting Russia keep the territory its gained as long as hostilities end, then they are within their rights to withhold further arms aid on those conditions. Is that the US negotiating as if they are themselves Ukraine? No. Zelensky understands that he is existentially dependent on others. He’s just reminding them not to abuse that.

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