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[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

“Everyone’s life, little by little, gets a little bit worse for the rest of their existence,”

sicko-yes germany-cool

[–] miz@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

the article fails to mention Nordstream, natural gas, or pipelines, but in the last paragraph it passively phrases it

Bloomberg Economics estimates that the bulk of the shortfall will be tough to recover, due to structural blows such as the loss of cheap Russian energy

maybe in another two years the Germans will find the dignity to name their own vassalage

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The whole Nord Stream things has been so surreal. Everybody with a functioning brain understands that pipeline being blown up is a major reason for the economic woes Germany is having. Yet, nobody in western media can talk about the elephant in the room, or who most likely committed the biggest act of industrial terrorism in Europe since WW2.

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everybody with a functioning brain understands that pipeline being blown up is a major reason for the economic woes Germany is having.

Because it fucking isn't. It wouldn't even breach the top 20 reasons, most of which are the result of being ruled by austerity obsessed neoliberal neocon ghouls for the last twenty years and by vintage conservative ghouls for the longest time before that.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

Sure, the system itself is obviously the underlying problem here. However, within the scope of this fucked up system, the input costs for manufacturing going through the roof is a trigger to the current economic shock. Companies are using rising input costs as an excuse to move industry out of Germany.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As long as american troops and cia sites are plastered throughout the country they never will. Besides the country has been going downhill since the 90s when they embraced eternal austerity and neoliberalism.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I say once more: austerity is important. debts always have to be paid back. otherwise you're throwing future generation under a bus. why would they suffer so?

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, debts don’t always have to be paid back and that’s not the way things have typically worked throughout most of human history actually. Insisting all debts be paid back regardless of the cost to society is a concept even newer than capitalism itself, so a handful of generations. Austerity fucks over everybody, especially the future generations.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

austerity is important. debts always have to be paid back

The European Central Bank can literally create at a keystroke the Euros that most European countries are indebted in. EU countries incurring in debt is a consequence of the arbitrary 3% deficit limit imposed during the previous century, which was decided in a 5-h meeting by a set of politicians who didn't understand economics, based on a study that has since been disproven (there were errors in the excel sheets used for the calculations of the article). Austerity is consistently harmful and monetarily unnecessary, especially when denominated in the country's own currency (as is the case of most developed countries).

[–] D61@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://archive.ph/YIdgb

Archive.ph link to the full article for the cheap seats.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

thanks, updated to add it in

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago
[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Well at least Germany has cheap, carbon-neutral energy with all of its nuclear reactors!

...oh

Well at least they have cheap if not carbon neutral energy from Nordstream 2!

...ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Since when has Europe needed Germany?

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

"Germany is unraveling when Europe needs it most" means thst Europe desperately needs the unraveling of Germany.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Germany is the main US proxy in Europe. Without Germany, Europe might start getting dangerous ideas about sovereignty and independence.