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damn it's short. 262 words. definitely one of the reasons they are not posting it because anyone would read it and it isn't as crazy or wild as I thought.
the guy is pissed, he identifies the problem, and what makes it intractable at this point. that is not something power wants spread around, because it's easy to read and digest.
The dude might be brainwormed but he carried out an action of class war and his stated reasons are literally class war.
He's our guy. I don't care whether people found some history of him being suckered into right wing culture war bullshit. Yeah and? The entire working class is deliberately divided along those lines to prevent people from uniting behind this shit.
If you're waging class war you're on my fucking team, the rest of the shit can be sorted out. Hitlerites can fuck off because they're not waging class war for the proles they're waging it for the protection of the bourgeoisie. But this dude is not a Hitlerite.
100%, the class solidarity seen after what he did has momentum and it needs to keep going. that starts with looking passed whatever weird shit this dude thought about jacking off. he as far as i could tell, wasn't a hateful or bigoted person or anything like that. i can look passed basically anything else.
Good post, though I think we should remain critical of his tactics. Mercin CEO's might get people to recognize each other, but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing. I don't want dead CEO's, I want a different system that obviates them entirely.
I don't want dead CEO's
but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing
No matter how much you organize, you're gonna have to off the CEOs at some point. They're not gonna hand over the reins peacefully and they are actively fighting against all materially significant "organising". Had Jeff Bezos been shot while Amazon was trying to crush unions, I am sure organising would become easier.
this
critical of his tactics
yea he should be in indonesia rn
MF had five days. He could have gone out into the woods and set everything used in the killing on fire, then went home and been like "I've been CAMPING for the past week what did I miss?" and lived his whole life free and clear.
but it's never going to lead to systemic change
I think if it happened enough you'd get either gun control or healthcare. Assuming people are doing it with homemade weapons then it'd have to be a healthcare reform solution but I'd guess they'd try gun control first (then someone gets shot over it and they realise they can't).
Not system change though, you're correct there.
Good post. He's not the hero we wanted or even the one we deserved...but he is the one we have and he has my critical support. Its very different of course but in some ways I'm reminded of Julian Assange and the importance of not missing the forest for the trees.
damn it's short
Well, yeah, the cops only had so much time to write it on the drive to the mcdonalds
262 words.
actually at the end he's like "and thats why its actually really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really cool to kill ceos"
To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
lmao
Suck off the prosecutor and FBI at the top. Really playing for that acquittal.
I hope that happens just for the full hilarity of it. Dude could just go on talk shows and joke about the time he was accused of killing a guy, possibly did it wink, and now he's free
This still seems pretty not real. This is basically a note saying "I did it, it was me and only me and the proof is I own a computer (I work in engineering so you won't find any "real" evidence). I did it because I hate United. Anyway I know nothing, have no message to send, and couldn't possibly write more bye now"
Even if this really came from the police, if you wanted to convict somebody with very little effort, this would be the perfect evidence to "find". That in reality makes no sense to actually write.
The only situation would be if luigi is also in on it lol the only thing he disputed was the 10k in cash and that his backpack was waterproof. Not a "Faraday cage" lol
I think people are making outrageous overestimations of how competent the NYPD is. The idea that they essentially hired some deep state actor to pretend to be the guy to cover their asses while branching the conspiracy outside of state lines and fooling another department is so ludicrous to me like if they were gonna do that they would at least wait another month or two in case they find the real guy.
I think this whole thing is fun but the grasping at straws is pretty wild to me like the eyebrow thing was already refuted perhaps we just want the guy to be our Lenin and we’re mad that he’s actually just a techbro weirdo?
Lots of magical thinking going on IMO but I would be very hyped if I’m wrong about this
to the feds, i'll keep this short, you guys are really cool. you all have really large penises and your wives aren't cheating on you. you, the feds, aren't the ones writing this manifesto, i am. i killed that guy and i am guilty. he was alive, i used a gun and shot him, and he is no longer alive. i did that with my hands. the same hands i am using to write this note. the note clarifying i am guilty.
Media is really out there posting this guy's mug everywhere when it's clearly a different guy in like every goddamn photo in the lead-up to the shooting. Man, fuck this world.
It's a modern day Sacco and Vanzetti
Just grabbing the nearest Italian man and putting on him
Time is a flat circle.
262 words describing an ideological outlook? Truly STEM graduate level writing.
Never have I heard a truer statement in my life. Most engineers I've known could sum up their ideologies in 14.
this is a fed excercisse in creative writing..
how are you all falling for this shit ?
even prepares that they Dont have much evidence on his computer : "The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there"
if i where the Jury i would not be convinced . looks all to plannted .. why does he suddenly wants to be caught ?
I mean, if it is, it's at least "real" in the sense as the one that feds have had and are leaking to the media (versus the forgery ppl were talking about the past day or two).
Ken has good sources and is generally reliable, plus this echoes stuff that's been said by the outlets selectively leaking bits.
If you want to assume it's fed, that's on you (i'm ambivalent if this is a patsy situation or not myself), but this is the "manifesto" in the sense of the thing that is alleged to have been on him. I trust Ken that far at least.
Edit : Sorry , did read it wrong
the Super escapist went , dressed with his murder cloths and with his murder Weapon, into the Mc donald, he also Wrote a Manifest that explainse the lack of evidence on his computer , and in which he thanked us the cops ,as Cops are Awsome! , for their valuable service to the community"
"Also feds I actually think you're super cool and I bet you all fuck a lot especially Jerry Smith, who is employed in the public relations department of the FBI he looks like he has a monster dong"
I've been saying since yesterday that I don't believe he's the real shooter. This is all far too convenient lol and he looks fuck all like the guy(s) in the CCTV footage to me.
you're not allowed to discuss this on reddit lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1hbdezi/removed_by_reddit/
To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
if I hadn't seen his Twitter already Id have a hard time believing you could get to the point of gunning down a CEO and still respect the feds
His family deaths and his own surgery give him a personal experience with the insurance issues that have probably driven this. I can see "the feds are good" and "I despise and want to kill health insurance CEOs" co-existing if you haven't read other theory. The main principle of his radicalisation is his lived experience, not books, so he has all the brain worms but the material conditions have still driven him to this.
because the feds probably wrote it
Wouldn't be the first time they fabricate evidence
if real he cooked with this one “It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
Not a manifesto, more a confession letter.
Not a diss, but I think especially with the words on the casings the act was enough of a manifesto.
I'm glad to see that fake one sucking off the constitution as the pinnacle of human rights was fake tho
“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
New tagline
some elementary social engineering
I'm imagining him calling five or six midtown hotels pretending to want to make changes as Brian Thompson before he hit on one where the desk agent let slip that there was a reservation
EDIT: apparently the CEO was staying in a hotel "across the street", so it may have been the first or second one he called. judging by the map there's really just the Warwick and The Luxury Collection Hotel Manhattan Midtown that's that close by
He gave Ted's one a 4/5 like he has critique and room for improvement, and then he comes out with this, a 3/5 at best
That's generous
I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, CNN and ABC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.
He talking about George Moore or Thomas Moore?
And he’s talking about David Rosenthal, yeah?
Either way, this kid is weird. lol. Good on him for doing a solid at least.
stay losing.