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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

we've tried the soapbox for generations, we've tried the ballot box, and the courts are now stacked against the people. hmmm.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

All we need is enough people willing to fight, and some way to get them to work together despite the wide range of ideas about what to put in place once it's done.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Recent results show that box 4 works fairly well when the others fail

[–] arin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Kid in Manhattan followed the rules

[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

You know, they should have been teaching interesting stuff like this in US public schools growing up. I would have been way more engaged. This was an intriguing read. Makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Soap box: free speech, ballot box: right to vote, jury box: right to nullify convictions of unjust laws, and cartridge box: right to fend against corrupt gov't. I think society is close to the cartridge box more often than not.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Jefferson wrote in 1787

And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-12-02-0348

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We've moved so far from this country's original ideals, and people like trump personify the final fall.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To think that Trump holds the same office as Jefferson is truly mind-blowing. How far we have fallen.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

He is the opposite of every single virtue we have aspired to. He has none of the qualities a nation or a people should want in their leaders, and all of the ones you don't want.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Professor Larry Lessig has outlined at length how elections are corrupt, and we've watched the courts get so corrupt, well that Citizens United, Loper Bright and Trump v. US 2024 were able to be ruled without intervention from a psychiatric ward.

The thing is, courts are an alternative to settling civil and social disputes with violence. And elections allow for the peaceful transfer of power (e.g. without violence).

So if both the courts and elections are subverted (they are) violence becomes the default way by which regimes are ousted and laws are changed.

The reason we tried to set up democracy in the first place was all the Game of Thrones shit. It seems the ownership class never got the memo how bad it gets.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

They haven't forgot, they're just pushing it as far as they can, and a frustrated, exhausted, pacified populace has let it happen.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

--Frederick Douglas

Problem is we have more of the "kyle rittenhouse" type of people rather than the "NYC John Wick"

[–] jg1i@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting read. Although:

the Anti-Defamation League noted that it is frequently used by anti-government extremists to justify violence to gain their ends on the grounds that all else has failed

Aah, right. I mean, I can see anyone using this to justify any violence.