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Damn Judi. I mean yes, but I wasn't expecting THAT face to suggest it....
My wife cuts food with her own sewing scissors. I never realized i was living with a crazy person until this point. (Ok maybe i kinda did)
As a seamstress: fukkin' yikes.
If she only sews casually, that would make sense, though. But it still gives me the jibblies.
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So I am definitely the odd person in the sewing world who cuts everything with my scissors. I’ve been a sailmaker for 30 years and we cut paper, Mylar, Kevlar, carbon fiber, fabric (of course), rope, tape, adhesives, you name it. I’ve been using the same pair for 20 of those 30 years as well. We do get them sharpened but not all the time.
Dyneema is the one thing that will mess up your scissors though. My buddy at work had a dull spot on his that wouldn’t sharpen from dyneema webbing. We ended up getting a special pair for that and Kevlar, with micro serrated teeth.
I will say though that a person’s scissors are sacred, you don’t touch another sailmakers pouch and tools. What they do with them is their business, use your own tools.
That extends to all tools in my opinion.
Don’t borrow someone’s tools without their express permission, and don’t lend someone a tool unless you either know what they’re doing with it or you don’t care if it gets damaged.
Yup. I hired an apprentice once, and the first few days every time I’d come into the shop my pouch would be either missing or emptied and I’d have to run around finding my tools. Did that twice and was like your first job is to make your own pouch and then got him his own tools. My fault really, I should have done that right off the bat.
Mind if I bug you with questions about sail making? That sounds like a super interesting job!
For sure! Though I apologize if I don’t answer right away! I will answer though.
How do you get into a job like that? I figured they would mostly be made by machines nowadays.
What's the biggest sail you've worked on?
Best/worst material to work with?
What kind of equipment does your job require?
You mentioned a knife but I'm guessing it's not a common knife. I'm imagining more of a hook shaped blade to pull easier, but would love to know if I was wrong
I'd like to tag on and ask if op plays Enya - Orinoco Flow every time a sail is completed.
THEY DAMN WELL BETTER!
Of course! That’s during the offering to the wind gods.
Great questions!
I kinda fell into it tbh. My buddy worked at the local sailmakers and got me the job when I was 16. Never looked back. A lot of people will start because they race or sail but there’s an equal amount that just do it as a job and don’t sail at all. I did grow up sailing but it wasn’t on my radar for a career. I still talk with my buddy every now and then, I credit him with a long a varied career!
Quick edit: They are made on sewing machines, but you still need humans to do the work.
The biggest sail I’ve ever worked on was the spinnaker for the HMCS Oriole. It was 6000 sq/ft if I remember correctly. Freaking massive. We never saw it fully open until it got raised on the boat as we were in a very small shop! My coworker sewed all the panels together and I did all the rest, my boss painted the oriole on it and did a fantastic job. We were very proud of ourselves. I was so worried there was going to be a tub of pins somewhere in it and they would rain death down on the deck when they raised it!!
Hmmm, that really depends on what you like to do best. My specialty was racing sails, so I guess I’d have to say laminates were my favourites. Though if you were a traditional sailmaker than you’d like the heavier and softer fabrics and ropes. My coworker likes the spinnakers best as all she did was sew so getting those under the machines is much nicer. Being a shop with big sewing machines you end up sewing things other than sails and the job I hated was the boat house curtains. So big and heavy. The material wasn’t terrible it was just a crap job lol. And they were usually filthy.
You do need some specialized equipment, but it’s all the different parts on the sails that really make it niche. So there’s the obvious sewing machines, and you’ll need at least 3 different ones to cover what you might come across. The main one being a long arm walking foot. Then a straight stitch for canvas, a lighter zigzag for dinghy sails and sail bags, and a triple stitch for seams and resewing. But you can resew with the zigzag so that one is optional for a small repair loft. Hand tools like a hot knife, grommet punches and dies, palm for hand sewing, big hand sewing needles. Big rulers, carpenter squares, and lofting battens. I know I’m forgetting stuff but that’s what’s jumping out at me. The stuff that adds up though is all the things you need to repair or make sails. Different sizes and types of webbing, slugs, slides, rings, batten hardware, batten material! Oof, you end up collecting a lot of random stuff. I had a small repair loft and I couldn’t keep every little bit in stock so would save what was still good for that random sail that would come in.
Another edit: Pins and awls!! That’s how you flatten the sail on the floor to work. And I forgot the most specialized piece of equipment of all! The shop. That one can be hard. You need a space that’s big and open that you can pin into the floor and lay out as much of the sail as possible. Also the ideal is to have the machines in pits that are flush with the floor so you don’t have to lift the sails up to the table, and instead just slid them along. But that’s a hard one. My shop didn’t have that and the pinched nerve in my shoulder can attest to that.
I’m not sure about the knife you mention? Did I say that? We would use a hot knife for melting and sealing all the time.
Let me know if you have any other questions! That was fun.
Thanks a ton for the answers!
I'm honestly unsure where my brain got the knife thing if I'm being honest.
One more question for you if you don't mind -
How's kevlar to work with?
Haha, my brain does the same thing all the time.
Kevlar is a funny one for me as I’m now allergic to it. Yay occupational disease! If I have to use it for a quick job it’s fine, but anything longer than an hour I get what feels like a sunburn. Usually on my arms and cheeks, basically where I touch when I push up my sleeves or whatnot. Doesn’t get red, just feels like a bad sunburn. One of the ways it’s used is in big rolls with an adhesive backing, for patches. So we’re not really sure if it’s the Kevlar or the adhesive, but I can use any other product with an adhesive back and it doesn’t happen.
Anyhoo, Kevlar is really tough, so it can be a pain to cut. That toughness makes it great for backing patches or chafe patches. On Genoas we’d use it to make spreader patches. It’s really only used like that on laminate sails. Though I’ve seen Kevlar leech line used on Dacron sails. Another common use is in kayak hulls along the keel for abrasion resistance. It also has a very high melting point and will char more than melt, which also helps with chafe. Its UV resistance isn’t the best so it will deteriorate over time. But racing sails don’t last as long as cruising sails so it evens out. You can recognize it on a sail as it’s a golden yellow.
Edit: I think it’s fallen out of favour over fibers like dyneema and carbon. I haven’t been in that part of the industry in a long time.
The fibers and technology in racing sails are pretty crazy. There’s some neat videos online if you want to dive a bit deeper into it.
A kevlar allergy is definitely an interesting one!
I gotta ask what you mean by patches. Judging by the fact you seem to mostly work on racing ships and other very expensive sailing ships, I'm guessing you don't mean patches in the sense of filler material to fix holes?
Well, kinda. Imagine there’s a tear in the sail, you’d put a patch on it. And on a laminate, or plastic, sail it would be like a big sticker. Or if there is a place where you know something is going to rub constantly, you’d put a chafe patch. And as laminates aren’t very strong when they’re punctured, like with a sewing needle, you’d put reinforcing patches under whatever you want to sew down.
Tbh, I haven’t worked with laminate sails in a long time. I did service and repair work in my shop mostly, for regular sailors. Honestly I used to get a fair bit of work from the bigger lofts where small repair work wasn’t worth it for them to do. And really, these sails aren’t just for big fancy race boats, any sailing club with racers (which is pretty much all of them) will have people with laminate sails. The general public only sees the big races, like the americas cup or vendee globe, but every Wednesday night around the world, there’s regular people out racing.
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Hey did you follow the americas cup this year?
What did you think of the wingsails / twin skins / no boom configuration?
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Interesting, is sail fabric thicker or easier to cut than like clothing fabric?
Also it's interesting to see so many people who do different jobs online, I met someone the other month who lived in a boat during the FL hurricanes.
It can vary from thicker and heavier to lighter, and there are lots of different finishes as well so it can be quite stiff or supple. The cloth is made from polyester, or Dacron as it’s also known. We also use ripstop nylon for spinnakers. And then you have the laminate sails which can be made with Mylar and different fibers like carbon, Kevlar or dyneema.
Interesting, thanks for the information! In exchange I will give you information about my workplace.
At the grocery store when you have something you don't want to buy just give it to the cashier, we have a dedicated system for someone to go put it back. don't leave raw chicken sitting next to the candy, we can't sell raw warm chicken.🙃
Oh man, that drives me nuts when I see that! I always try to find someone to give it to, you can’t put that back, you never know how long it’s been sitting there! Some people are so dense.
I’ve not worked in a grocery store but I did work at a butcher/deli. It was really fun, lovely people. Luckily it was small enough we didn’t have to deal with that!
Whats the deal with fabric scissors? Do they break when used on other things?
fabric scissors need to be sharp to do their job effectively.
cutting other things, even paper, can (and will) dull the blades enough so they're no longer suitable for their original intended task.
then when gramma, or whoever, wants to use 'their scissors' to cut some fabric, and they aren't functioning properly... let's just say it may not go well for the guilty party.
tl;dr: they're no longer pure and must be replaced with new virgin scissors.
That's when they become "stabbing scissors"!
Can’t you just sharpen them? Won’t fabric dull them? You can’t tell me that paper dulls scissors faster than fabrics.
I highly doubt using fabric scissors one time for cutting paper will do anything to them
You are hereby banned from the sewing room.
You think cutting through a tree won't dull scissors? Fabric is made from plant fluff or hair.
More seriously - Yes you can sharpen them but many fabric stores no longer offer the service regularly. Some knife sharpeners will do it but others won't. My scissors can be sent back to the maker to be sharpened but then I would be without my fabric scissors for weeks. If you do it yourself you will fail.
This is one of my favorite comments of all time. I have sent a screen shot to three different people that get pissed when I won't let them use my shears.
had no idea about the level of complexity in sharpening scissors. TIL
They are more difficult than knives because they have to be sharpened so that they work as a set. If you screw it up, they no longer cut clean along the correct plane.
It's not that bad, they're single bevel so you'd have to try to sharpen the wrong side of the blade to fuck it up too badly
Any disruption of the interference fit between the contact or cutting faces can ruin scissors - it's a lot like grinding a straight razor, but where you have incredibly strict angle requirements across a compound surface. You're absolutely right though that the #1 mistake people make is to mess up the hollows by flat sharpening them like knives.
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You're highly wrong, then. Go get a straight razor and drag it through some paper, then see how nice it is to shave with. Fabric shears have surfaces honed to the same degree.
Does cutting fabric not dull the blades? It seems like a lot of fabrics should be tougher to cut through than paper?
Paper is made out of wood, the fibers are much harder than most sewing fabrics like cotton. It's only easier to cut because it's so stiff compared to fabric so even dull scissors can split it.
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I was totally ignorant to the world of fiber crafts the first- and last- time my wife found me cutting up something with her sewing scissors.
Of course, that was before she became addicted to every fiber craft under the sun. Now I live in a house with several spinning wheels and a tapestry loom. This could be you too if you start crocheting. Take heed.
(I'm actually fine with it because she's making me an Ernie sweater. I saw an Ernie costume on Halloween and I suddenly realized how much I wanted an Ernie sweater. So I asked and she immediately said okay. Yay!)
When she’s done the Ernie sweater could she make me a penguin one? Thanks
Thinking black sleeves on a white sweater, penguin on the white part of course, the cuffs are penguin foot yellow and the collar black as well.
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Family is gathered around grandpa in this exact situation. He raises his head off the pillow and squints around the room.
That you, Bill?
Yes, dad, it's me.
Is Carol here?
Yes, I'm here dad.
Jimmy? Sally? Are they here too?
Yes dad, the kids are here.
Is Walt here?
Yeah dad, I'm right here.
You're all here?
Yes, we're all here dad.
Everybody's right here?
Yes, dad.
Then why is the goddam kitchen light still on???
I am sliding gracefully into dad mode about thermostats because that is ancient technology and you should know better. Lights are all LEDs now and I even got the ones with batteries so they stay on in a blackout, so leaving them on charges them and is good, sort of.
Grampa still uses incandescents - he saw a meme about how you need a hazmat team if you break one o' them newfangled bulbs and he's not letting Obama jam those things down his throat!!!
Compact fluorescents are so last decade.
A cardinal sin.
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