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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”

Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.

And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.

How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.

I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.

It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 3 points 14 hours ago

This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.

Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.

But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Agreed with everything you said. I had a class about bio processes and one of them was about production of cheese and during the class both our professor and the scientist that was walking us through the chemistry of cheese making were constantly talking how pasteurization was really good for us all and how annoying it was that it made cheese making more difficult because of the way it messed with casein and other proteins, making it so that the cheese wouldn't "coagulate" correctly (they used a specific term that I cannot remember for the life of me, sorry) but that was all. A protein being bent up a bit doesn't negatively affect the milk of where just drinking it or using it to bake, Ave even for cheese making there are tequiniques to still make it into cheese with pasteurized milk.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've seen some shit claiming pasteurization is harmful and I just have to ask if the people who believe that know what pasteurization even is, because how the hell does boiling it make it harmful? Shit... If boiling milk makes it toxic, you better stay away from cheese. And a lot of baked goods. Creamy soups. Pasta dishes. Etc.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 25 points 1 day ago

Not even fully boiling. To quote Wikipedia, because I'm lazy:

The liquid moves in a controlled, continuous flow while subjected to temperatures of 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds, followed by rapid cooling to between 4 °C (39.2 °F) and 5.5 °C (42 °F).

Literally 30 seconds of "pretty hot". And people are risking serious illness, even death, over some mythical beliefs about how nutrition works.

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

This is the whole “gluten is poison” (for people not actually intolerant to gluten) all over again. Those people also had no idea that it was just wheat protein.

[–] frank@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

And I'm and American in Colombia where they pasteurize the milk to the point where it is stored at room temperature.

[–] GreatAlbatross 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn.
I didn't have "Raw Milk encouraged by the US govt. causes second pandemic in 5 years" on my bingo card for 2025.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not ready for Moovid...

[–] GreatAlbatross 6 points 17 hours ago

I like to moovid, moovid.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I vote Cowvid, but I'm concerned about it being confused with videos of cows.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

Better that than confused people watching videos of Joe Rogan or Trump or something, maybe there's a natural deterrant against disinformation in the name by just getting people to watch cows all day long. Then again I'm sure people would start taking cow dewormer eventually.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (13 children)

There is a way. Just mix it with equal parts hard liquor.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

That sounds like a fun night

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 20 points 1 day ago

Food safety is communism!

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

For the other non scientists here is a good article explaining what "raw milk" is. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/dangers-raw-milk-arise-bacteria

TLDR: they boil milk to nuke bacteria, "raw milk" is what they call milk that hasn't had that happen and is dangerous, especially considering recent events.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave...

[–] uis@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He is boiling in his grave. Probably milk.

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[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe ingest it and then use UV light or inject bleach. I hear Ivermectin helps against everything.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ugh my wife's step-sisters husband is a pharmacist. His body is riddled with tumors but he swears the ivermectin and supplements are what's fighting the cancer. Not the chemo. Nope. That's promoting the cancer.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Self solving problems are the best problems.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Agreed. I'm not to fond of him (or my wife's step-sister, for that matter)...obviously I don't want him to die, or be in pain...but I feel real bad for his kids (my step-niblings). They're already at a tough age (middle school), their dad is dying, and they've all drunk the Kool aid. The whole side of the family has, save for maybe one or two of my half-BILs.

Last week, the mom (who runs an upscale clothing store) was saying she only wants to hire old white ladies and won't hire kids anymore. The daughter pipes up saying "yeah kids these days are lazy, they don't want to work", parroting the parents talking points. But literally 30 seconds later, the mom is saying that it's the slow season and she's spending most of her day watching Netflix. The self-awareness is just completely missing.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is this why Mister Brain Worms wants to sell raw milk? So bird flu spreads since worms hate birds

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.

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