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The US is so racist, even the rise of Fascism gets blamed on minorities. (lemmy.cafe)
submitted 4 days ago by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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sources: cnn exit polling for demographics, ap for total general result counts and https://www.uncommittedmovement.com/

title stolen from @yesman@lemmy.world because i thought it was good

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

.46% of general voters? So 1/4 of our loss margin? That's not nothing.

Don't get me wrong. The fall into fascism is primarily on white America. The minority vote is overwhelmingly what has kept us from fascism in my lifetime. That minority support for fascism increased in this election is fucking insane and notable.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Yep, white people supporting it is awful but logical. They tend to benefit from it. Minorities who are targeted by it supporting it. Is notable and shameful.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ELECTION ALERT: Still Too Early To Know Which Minority To Scapegoat

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 4 days ago

i’m eagerly awaiting 🫨😧😧

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it was just to show how badly the democrats and especially Harris read the minorities she was counting on...

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I believe that is the stated motive of the movement as well:

The movement has highlighted a clear disconnect between the Democratic party and key constituencies in their base. src

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It brings tears to my eyes seeing extremely nationalist American jews and arab minorities voting for the same president for diagonally opposite reasons. One of them got the logic correctly, the other not so much.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 days ago

According to Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) - which describes itself as the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organisation in the world - more Jewish Americans, both young and old, "are anti-Zionist (more) than ever before".

"Jewish Voice for Peace is an anti-Zionist organisation (and has been since 2019) and we're very public about that," Sonya Meyerson-Knox, the communications director at JVP, told Middle East Eye.

Knox explained that across the board since 7 October, JVP has doubled or more in terms of membership, supporters, followers, and people simply signing up to take action. src

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (9 children)

And so with the leftist Arabic vote being such a tiny % of the overall voter base, it would be really smart to pivot to single-issue to maybe win some of that 0.46%, right?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a net +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. Not enough to win the general election majority, but certainly enough to win swing states. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election with the electoral college. Winning the popular vote would have needed more progressive policies that address and resolve the material needs of the general public.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 days ago

i’d gift you gold if that was a thing but here’s a bagel 🥯

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

restarting this thread just to say you are misreading, i hope not intentionally, an older post of mine. i do not believe this. see here for clarification: https://lemmy.cafe/comment/8372851

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I disabled replies because you said /conversation and I thought it was done. I didn't bait you.

I think we agree on most things. I disagree that pivoting left on Palestine would have net improved voter turnout for Harris. I do agree that the Dems have failed to appeal to undecideds and non-voters. I do agree some people in the Democratic party will be blaming third-party voters, despite them being of little consequence this election. Criticizing Hispanics for voting Trump based on vague notions of "the economy" is fair game, though, along with criticizing white people who thought Biden was still running, etc.

Re: your other post, if your post is so widely misinterpreted that you have to comment a clarification, maybe your communication isn't clear.

You're clearly not dumb, but not everyone who replies is committing a logical fallacy.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe -2 points 4 days ago

Waiting until the last minute to link the post you were referencing (which, to be fair, most people didn’t need me to explain) was a bit confusing, so I’ll admit that felt like bad form. But no hard feelings.

It seems like we’re on the same page about most things, and I agree with all the points you listed.

I’ll also apologize for the immediate defensiveness—people on this site can be really mean, and shove words into my mouth without evidence, and after a while, it starts to get to you. You are one in a million for actually having a source for your opinion on me (which I just wish you had linked earlier 😛).

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