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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If democrats are so smart why did they lose the election

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[–] aLaStOr_MoOdY47@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 228 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.

Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don't have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.

They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don't know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their 'enemies', kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.

When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it's impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don't directly benefit them.

As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they'd always vote maga.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago

Really well said

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I haven't seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 113 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Another way to view this is that the poor are voting republican now. Trump won those making less than $100,000 handedly while Harris won those making above. Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

The democrats are slowly becoming the party of the out of touch elite, and memes like this don't help. The democrats need to be putting forward solutions to those problems, and trump has shown it doesn't matter if they're viable or will actually help. If these "dumb poor people are rubes who will fall for anything" give them something to fall for. Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter what your platform is if it's not communicated effectively to the median voter

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 49 points 1 week ago (20 children)

How do you communicate effectively to someone with their fingers in their ears screaming nananananananana? Please advise, oh political oracle.

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[–] yogi_pogi@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

This is exactly what I was pointing out to my friends. Every one of us are making six figures, and could not understand why anybody would vote Trump.

And I asked them how many people in their lives are poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I have family members who are working two or three jobs to get by. All the work Biden did is not being seen or recognized by them.

Are they are under-educated yokels? Are they morons for not keeping up with politics? You can call them what ever you want. Theyre still a voter.

Face it: what they're hearing from Democrats vs what they're hearing from Trump are pretty clear cut and we can stay in this echo chamber all we want on Lemmy. Those folks aren't listening to us. They're just trying to survive and will vote accordingly.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 102 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I love the "Have you actually considered that the state doing the worst under consistent Republican policy is voting because they're unhappy with the DEMONRAT status quo???"

They really don't give a shit about consistency in their arguments. People have or lack responsibility for their moral and political choices according to whatever suits their "LIBERALS BAD" talking point of the day.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

Republicans have had a vice grip on our state and local politics for 40 years...BUT ITS THE LIBRULS FAULT

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Sadly Mass is also close to #1 in terms of cost of living.

I like it here but I don't like what it costs.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I alternate between proud that we have a $15 minimum wage and horrified at what it probably should be

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Oh no! #1 in cost of living and #1 in quality if life? And among the lowest poverty?

Do people really just need social support to thrive? No way! It's gotta be stuff! Cheap stuff! That's what life's all about!

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

No arguments from me, that's why I don't want to live anywhere else.

It does sting a bit to be stuck living with high rent in an apartment when my income would allow me to buy a decent house in another part of the country. But then I likely wouldn't have this income in other parts of the country, either.

When I moved back to the US from China, I immediately had health insurance thanks to Masshealth. Helped me have peace of mind while I was searching for a job back here. And now I get to work for an organization that helps other people land on their feet when big life changes happen, which is easier to do here than elsewhere.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I crisscrossed Oklahoma on one of my cross-country trips, the state absolutely sucks and they even know it that's why you can legally drive like 80mph through the whole thing.

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