All the people who were screeching to abandon Harris because of Gaza seem awfully quiet now
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Gosh but I heard that all genocide is equal and Biden is literally the devil. Do you mean that having a meaningful impact on whether Palestinians live or die was worth swallowing my pride and voting for Harris? But isn't my ideal that no Palestinian should die more important than actually saving the lives of Palestinians?
/s I absolutely can't fucking stand people who were unable to realize that less harm would, in fact, be less harmful.
You say "unable to realize", I say "intentionally pushed a false narrative to increase voter apathy".
Especially since many of them refused to engage any discussion on how much worse Trump would be.
It's a combination of both. Lots of useful idiots. Just see that thing AOC did to find out why people would split the vote with her and Trump.
People in this country are straight up dangerously stupid.
I have a feeling a lot of them were not American. The bot farms are quiet now because they got what they wanted.
Too bad the actual fascist Americans who elected Trump are still with you. It's always someone else's fault not America's.
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Well it's not like Biden/Harris actually tried for a ceasefire. There's really not much change other than the quiet part being said out loud.
Not much change yet… like I said in another thread, let’s just save this comment and revisit it in 2025, shall we?
The escalations we're going to see over the coming months were going to happen with a Republican as President or Democrat. The past 13 months has shown Israel can get away with virtually whatever they want. They were never intending on stopping regardless of the outcome of the election.
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Yeah that cease fire Biden negotiated was way better!
Oh, wait.
Don’t try to pop their cope bubble.
Are they? I see the comments still full of them.
All the russian trolls? They've moved on. The America job is completed.
Nah, they're clamoring for Biden to hurry up and stop shipment of arms to Israel and get the ceasefire some before Trump gets into office. Too little to late guys, Israel won't care, won't do shit now that they know trump won.
We’ve been clamoring for it since Biden first bypassed congress to directly send them weapons and money after October.
Israel has never cared so far and gotten away with everything, so nothing has changed there.
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I mean what's there to say? Yeah we know Trump fucking sucks what do you want them to do? There's barely anything to say when he hasn't done anything ywt.
He already said he's giving Israel a blank cheque. Not sure how that's "nothing"
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Everyone pointing at people that didn't vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point. If Gaza was your primary concern (like if you and your family are Palestinian perhaps) neither candidate was going to do anything for you at all. Harris paid a tiny bit of lip service to Gaza two days before the election after months of shutting down and ignoring everyone demanding ceasefire.
I voted Harris purely out of harm reduction, but she offered nothing to anyone on the left. The DNC assumes everyone that is queer or bipoc or a woman owes them their vote and then used the platform to court non-existent center right voters.
But nah, let's pretend that Harris, who took Biden's positions wholesale, would have done something different as if they weren't currently in power. Let's pretend they would have done something to restore abortion rights too, or tackle climate change or raise the minimum wage when they're so busy trying to get fascist votes and not piss off the coporate donor class.
The Democratic party needs to be rebuilt from scratch or not rebuilt at all.
Everyone pointing at people that didn’t vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point.
Yes, yes. We get your "point". Harris's policy on Gaza was bad, so of course the clear solution was to hand the Presidency to someone who would make it worse. To send a message.
Good job, guys. Your message was loud and clear. I'm sure that in 2028, Democrats might have a slightly more pro-Palestine agenda. Maybe. Until they realize there's a hell of a lot more Jewish voters that would be even more pissed off. Lesson learned. I'm sure the people of Palestine who will lose their land, their families, and their lives between now and then will take solace in knowing that you sacrificed their lives on their behalf to send a political message in a country 5000 miles away. I'm sure that's exactly what they wanted.
Except that basically every angle except geopolitics, MIC profits, and AIPAC money, pointed towards curbing Israel/Bibi as a a good move. Even a free and independent Palestine has supermajority support - from a Nov-Oct poll of American Jewish voters:
Jewish voters… priorities include a major speech proposing a Palestinian state and diplomatic relations between Israel and Arab states (72 percent) and increasing humanitarian aid to Palestinians (71 percent). There is also significant support (66 percent) for sanctioning Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich for aiding violent settler attacks against Palestinians.
Emphasis mine. Review the data if you care, but the continuation of Bidens policies was a huge self own. Resolve the issue and Republicans/Russian messaging of ‘Genocide Joe’ falls flat.
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that Harris, who took Biden's positions wholesale
Except for the instances where she moved further to the right, like on capital gains tax.
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Something, something Republicans are peacemakers.
Well, you can't be at war against an enemy that doesn't exist. If there are no more palestinians, you can't be at war with them.
Peace through annihilation
Let them who are most pro-war get to fight on the front lines.
Idc if it's a one sided genocide, this fluffy politician who wouldn't last a 3 mile ruck should get to experience wtf he's actually advocating.
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Something, something, "Genocide Joe", argle bargle, bOtHsIdEs, people!
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lol what the fuck else could anyone expect? He’s an invertebrate.
Proposed Secretary of State is against Gaza cease fire.
You reap what you sow, kids!
The continued ongoing genocide of the Palestinians as materially aided by US politicians on both sides of the aisle?
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