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IAEA chief says German return to nuclear power is 'logical' (www.dw.com)

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Rafael Grossi, head of the IAEA, called Germany's decision to fully phase out nuclear power "illogical," noting it is the only country to have done so.

Despite the completed phase-out in 2023, there is renewed debate in Germany about reviving nuclear energy due to its low greenhouse gas emissions.

Speaking at COP29, Grossi described reconsidering nuclear as a "rational" choice, especially given global interest in nuclear for emissions reduction.

Germany’s phase-out, driven by environmental concerns and past nuclear disasters, has been criticized for increasing reliance on Russian gas and missing carbon reduction opportunities.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 points 40 minutes ago

This article doesn't mention the most important part of all. Nuclear power only made up about 2% of the German energy mix. The power production lost by the loss of nuclear power plants was entirely compensated by renewable power and we also have the smallest coal consumption in about 60 years, so the shutdown had no effect on the German power grid.

The shutdown of our nuclear power plants was also planned since 2011 after the failure of Fukushima. Our government extended the running time by 1 year but it devinetively didnt had the power to just revert the shutdown.

[–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Never understood what kind of an idiot you have to be to choose coal over nuclear. Absolutely bonkers.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We didn't. We chose renewables over nuclear.

[+] Valmond@lemmy.world -8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

You tried, but it didn't work out as expected.

Also, on a side note, with nuclear you could export energy to other countries so that they don't need to rely on coal gas & oil so much.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We tried and it did and does work. Renewables are going up, fossils are going down.. We are burning less coal than ever. Any claims to the point of "replaced nuclear with coal" are disinformation and lies.

with nuclear you could export energy to other countries

We are exporting energy to other countries.

Nuclear is the most expensive form of power,. it's unsafe and inflexible. It doesn't make sense, it never did, and all those other kids jumping off the bridge don't change that.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

You could have exported more. It could have been a smother transition.

You are also trying to put words in my mouth, I did not say coal replaced nuclear.

Your fearmongering concerning nuclear makes me think that you are with the bridge jumping kids.

[–] Landslide7648@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It actually worked better than expected. It’s simply a long process.

Snd until we have a good, permanent solution where to store nuclear waste that won’t be an issue for hundreds of future generations, it’s simply irresponsible to air for nuclear instead of renewables

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That's cool!

Yes restarting nuclear today seems stupid especially if it's only for german consumption. Best case scenario is we plaster solar panels all over the world IMO but the production capacity isn't there before another ten years or so, but that beats new nuclear too.

Shutting down nuclear today is a more complicated matter IMO.

[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 18 points 6 hours ago

Germany wanted to replace nuclear with renewables. This "replace with coal" bs is straight up misinformation.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Such an attitude afflicts Australia too. We could have close to unlimited free energy, but instead choose to build more Coal since 'Nuclear Bad' and 'Nuclear too much money' (despite the same people decrying the idea of 'too much money' being applied to anything else)

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Hmmmm, I don’t think nuclear makes much sense in Australia when we have an abundance of renewable resources available to us. Nuclear energy has never been known to be cheap and rapidly deployable. If we were going to go down the road of nuclear power we will have to start from the ground up given our utter lack of nuclear energy industry. This would take so much time and money. Why do that when we have sun baked deserts, are girt by sea and have every key mineral under the sun.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Basically, when the right-wing CDU started the phase-out it was a good thing, when the Greens phased out the last 3, it became a bad thing.

That's literally all this discussion is about. Anyone who's actually taken a look at the data knows that phasing it out was the right move and that there's no point in bringing it back. There's a reason the share of nuclear keeps going down in the EU. Germany is also not the only country that doesn't use nuclear anymore.

Here are the sources for anyone interested:

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

It was a stupid idea no matter who conceived of or implemented it. Nuclear is the only viable clean baseload power generation option we have. Solar and wind can't do it, coal and oil are filthy, battery storage is nowhere near where it needs to be yet.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 points 36 minutes ago

Theres also power production from water and also using biogas plants. Those are two technologies being perfectly capable of supplying a base power.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 19 hours ago

Bro has been asleep for the past 10 years lmao

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.org 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Baseload is an antiquated concept that doesn't work with lots of renewables. Battery storage may be not completely feasible yet, but look at California to see that it has the potential to be ready faster than we can build new npps.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Baseload is an antiquated concept that doesn’t work with lots of renewables. Battery storage may be not completely feasible yet, but look at California to see that it has the potential to be ready faster than we can build new npps.

"Baseload" is still needed. Renewables are great but they are simply not there yet. There is a world between "potential" and "available".

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[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 35 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (22 children)

I deeply wish that people would understand that this horse is deader than dead. There is no Frankensteinian experiment and no virus that will bring it back to even a zombie-like half-life. So would you, please, please, just stop beating the poor thing.

It doesn't matter anymore how it died, it's really time to get a new horse.

Edit: Instead of just down voting, could you explain to me:

How should we get nuclear plants running in any time frame relevant to our current problems?
Who is going to pay the billions of Euros to build new nuclear power plants? The energy companies are not interested.
Where we should keep the waste, since we have not yet found a place for the decades' worth of nuclear waste we already have.
How this is making us independent of Russia, our former main source of Uranium

I just fail to see any way how this could right now solve our problem.

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