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I think that would be not only appropriate but also helpful to frame Ukraine as "defending their land" instead of "being at war". So why dont politicians and journalists primarily use this word?

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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago
[–] small44@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

Same reason why journalists and politicians avoid using the word occupation when talking about Israel and Palestine. Interests or ideology

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Because the media outlets are owned by corpofash

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago

It's a good question.

I'd bet it's less to do with the journalists than with the editors / owners.

[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

We don't know what an eventual outcome will be right now and it would be... weird to talk about help financing "defense" for years and then actually negotiate for concessions.

It's an open secret that if all Russian nukes would disappear over night, the other members of the UN security council would probably party for a week. The US (and the EU) is supporting Ukraine because that's the right thing to do AND it is in their interest because who knows what a bigger Russia will do next. But they're also doing it because it's weakening Russia and that's also in their interest, even though they would never publicly say it or not with the intensity that they actually think that way.

Long story short, if the absolute optimal (for Ukraine and "the west") thing happens:

  • the war exhausts Russia more than Ukraine + supporters
  • the timing for negotiations is chosen in a way that is extremely bad for Russia, to the effect that Russia doesn't have to just apologize, return territory, pay reparations, and all that, but ALSO give up other things.
  • like UN observers and limits to their military.
  • nuclear disarmament
  • ???

It would look extremely badly if politicians, actual leaders of nations, were to talk about "defense" for years and then actually ask those things in the end. Which they want to.

So (imo, it's all speculation) it's preemptive PR management that leaves room for that asking for more things than would be justifiable with "defense".

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It also makes sense for good, honest journalists to use this language. Because they're trying to be neutral and leaving the opinion forming up to the reader, as far as they can. They want to let the facts speak for themselves. Even if they're pro Ukraine, they want the facts to convince you to be pro Ukraine, not their phrasing.

So, regardless of whether they're rage baiting, paid off by Russia, or trying to do honest journalists, it always makes more sense to use neutral language rather than having a pro Ukraine bias.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Saying it is a defense against invaders is being neutral, because that is what is happening. Avoiding a direct statement is the opposite of letting the facts speak for themselves.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 22 hours ago

Now do Israel 🐸

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee -5 points 1 day ago

cuz "defenfing", by todays standards, means killing innocent civilians (mostly children), and is therefore already reserved for Israel.