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I don't want to be the judge here or anything. Just wondering if a religious sub belongs in an instance with nothing anti-science as a rule. If its fine by everyone and the admin, its fine by me. I'd just block the community. Just felt wrong to see a Catholicism community in local.

I won't go down voting the community or anything, we've got enough of those people here

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I already talked to the mod to make sure they understand they instance they operate in. They explained they understand the expectations. If there's anything anti-science or otherwise reactionary, we'll deal with it then.

Oh that's perfect. All good then πŸ‘

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wow, I was literally thinking of deleting the community yesterday, and now I see this post! I'm the creator of that community. The posts do get immediately downvoted, so I assume that people feel uncomfortable with a religious community here on dbzer0. I will definitely remove it once I get to my computer. Just wanted to say. I am definitely not anti-science and I am a normal person who got converted a few months ago (used to be an agnostic). I am still a diehard leftie and I love astronomy, cosmology, I read science fiction and pirate!!! Catholics come in all shapes and sizes. However, I do agree that this instance might not be the place for a Cath community and therefore I will remove it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The downvotes are probably irrespective of the instance, but indeed, I don't think this particular instance is the most fertile ground for theism, even though technically religion is not incompatible with anarchism.

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

It'll probably be more useful to try and revitalise some of the other christian lemmy communities. Thank you for being understanding, though.

No thats perfectly fine. I didn't mean to make you feel unwelcome. Keep going, early downvotes has always been an issue on dbzer0.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Catholic church isn't anti-science, some anti-science folks are Catholic

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Exactly! Us younger Catholic folks are usually not anti-science. cough cough "it's the boomers and gen x most of the time"

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, I don’t think we should restrict communities just because they are based on religion. If they run afoul of behavioral rules, that’s one thing, but plenty of our members ascribe to some sort of religion personally and don’t cause problems.

I am a Thelemite and have thought about moving that community here since I don’t use my world account much. I think it would suck if I wasn’t allowed to do that even though the community would not be breaking any stated rules.

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I wholeheartedly agree, but most people are quick to restrict opinions that go against their own, so communities like these are going to have a very hard time coming to life on instances like these (to say nothing of the instance, i love it here)

don't forget the repeated child abuse and coverups

[–] Zier@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Religion is literally the opposite of Science. Religion is 100% made up. (Do we still build temples to Zeus? no). Science is evidence based. Religion is used to 'explain' all the things (wrongly) that Science eventually figured out. The closest thing you will ever find to god is the Sun, without it we perish. Also, it was the original worshiped 'god'. Just food for thought.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lucky for me, I’m still part of a religion that worships the sun. We are finally vindicated! /s

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I guess that depends on whether you accept the existence of other sun gods.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The solar energy is One, my child. /s

[–] Zier@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago

One of the hottest and brightest religions!

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's like asking someone who likes apples if they'd accept a pomme, apfel, manzana, or яблоко.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's more like asking an apple fan if they believe other fruits exist?

Not really, there are lots of gods, sun gods are a specific subset. Different "sun gods" are just different names and attributions to the sun, like different languages have different names for apples.

[–] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 13 points 2 days ago

Science is sometimes used like religion. We called it "Proof by Authority". Thank goodness for science having testability requirements to show the authority is a fool.

We don't know the first God, Trees are just as likely for instance l, they're nigh immortal, feed your family, and provides shelter

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you're mixing up primitive mysticisms and the modern variants of religion. There are, actually, some things both science and christianity struggle to explain. Of course, both say they do, but a fool-proof argument isn't readily available. If you're open to it, approaching the fine-tuning argument from both the atheist and theistic perspectives is extremely interesting. Both have very good points.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but is there something you can name that religion does explain without relying on faith of some kind? I would never claim science has all the answers, but if I'm going to attempt to take religion seriously it has to start by giving at least a single answer.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Science does not have all the answers. We utilize Science to find answers, with valid evidence, to the questions we have. Religion just makes up stories to explain things that are actually untrue. Science is doing the work to get a true answer. Religion is just a 'feeling'.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

I don't disagree.

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, no. Religion is nothing without faith. You have to be personally called to that faith in order to be able to explain things to yourself in a religious manner. I'll recommend this video, though.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks, I'll check it out later tonight.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just move them to an anti science instance?