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Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

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[–] ThePerfectLink@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

This has literally been a thing for like... 60 years

[–] matteagl3@lemy.lol 1 points 1 day ago

fuck them…

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

I think those ladies don't give a fuck.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Typical media BS.

Found a story about a very small movement somewhere in the world than are blowing it out of proportion and saying this is actually a thing.

This is why Dems lost the election but the media thought they would win.

Fucking click bait sex sells story.

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Idgaf. Why has this story been at the top of my feed for like 4 days now?

[–] pinus_rigida@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago

Seems like propaganda. More gender war bullshit. Divide, divide, divide.

To incite a civil war.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People are responding to it. Idk how you sort your feed, but if its by 'hot' or 'active' then your comment just helped bump it back up to the top.

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago
[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 222 points 3 days ago (45 children)

“Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

In over 50% of America's land area Rapists get to pick the mother of their child.

Flee red states.

The only why they'll learn is if the rational people leave. The whole fill strategy will never work because red states need you more than you need them.

Flee red states!

Project 2025 advocates for tracking of child barring age women and girls. They will turn you into brood sows the moment they get a chance and justify it as the moral good.

Flee red states!

Blue states aren't perfect but we at least know what freedom is and don't need a 2000 yeast old book to decide what we should do next.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Good for them for asserting their autonomy but basically the end affect is the opening plot of Idiocracy

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I get your point, but I wouldn't worry about what might happen in 20 years when what is currently happening is bad.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, women should rape themselves by having sex with men they are furious with to avoid the ending of a random documentary

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

I think you misunderstood me. Assuming this is sarcasm, which I think is fair, I was also saying people shouldn't oppose 4B because of Idiocracy.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The first time you say no to someone you really want to be with, that is when the 4B life starts. Till then, it's just business as usual (I really hope you don't sleep with/date people you don't like!).

The life continues when you see them with someone else, and realise some things can't be undone. People move on, they're not static NPCs you can just reload and date later.

It goes ever on, life stops for no-one and it runs it's course far too soon. To those who choose that path, make sure you know where it leads.

Edit: nice catch apostrofail! I'll keep no-one though, I feel they need that special dash bond ;)

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No judgement, just curious, but is the idea here that conservative men should not be allowed to have sex since they don't respect women? All for it, agree 100%. But i have a hard time imagining a feminist being with that type of man anyways, since the majority of feminist Ive met have self respect. So then you're not sleeping with any men to punish them, and yourself, for conservative men? I feel like I'm missing something.

Or is this article just implying 4B is something completly different than what it actually is? You know, cuz clickbait isn't concerned with being factual...

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I think, and here the key word is think as this goes beyond my mandate so to speak, it's more an act of resistance. A bit like protesting, but with less risk.

I'd say the aim is to rallying over retribution, to push those "good men" into fighting more strongly. It's not a bad tactic, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

It's also not really that widespread, searches for it are up because it's making the rounds is all.

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[–] noisefree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Self-selective removal of oneself and those of probable left-leaning male partners from the gene pool* is certainly one strategy left-leaning women could try in the fight for a political environment where their rights are protected and progress further. Probably a terrible strategy, but certainly one that could be chosen.

I respect any individual's bodily autonomy and am not trying to make a statement in favor of men having a right to access or anything like that. It's just an illogical movement if the goal is a society that has more individuals likely to support women's rights - the gamble that thirsty men of the left will somehow save the day or that it would affect men on the right is kind of silly unless we're assuming that there is a statistically meaningful amount of (secretly) left leaning women out there choosing right wing men as partners. (I wonder if anyone has tried to focus a campaign on seeing if the latter group exists in a sizable amount and can be convinced to be vote left - somebody should look into that and see how it works out. /s)

It's almost like 4B is something that the right wing would push to further their current advantage in household size in the US...

*I am not seriously implying politics are a matter of genetics (though parents commonly pass down their politics to children in their household via social means), but plenty of people on the right do believe in their own "good genes" versus the "bad genes" of the left and I'm leaning on their perspective for sarcastic effect here.

[–] blipcast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole concept of 4B only works if a vast majority of women are on the same page, and given the results from this election, they clearly are not.

It was stolen.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

4B is doable! My wife and I haven't had sex in 3 years and we sort of like each other.

Just imagine not actually liking anyone at all, easy!

For everything else, there's pornhub.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Until the P25 porn ban anyway

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's always amazing how many men out themselves in these threads. Immediately angry and defensive. There's no greater way to know that you're exactly the kind of man these women are worried about than having that reaction.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In this thread a few people left mild and fair criticism and immediately got accused of being conservative. Some I recognized as having specifically progressive ideas in other threads.

I think there are fair criticisms of this for sure. Saying them out loud does not mean you have anything but the opinion you say. And now watch, I'll be dog piled and accused of hating women or whatever.

Which isn't true at all, it just seems kind of weird to deny yourself the pleasure of sex because.. I guess.. you don't trust yourself to find a man who isn't a piece of shit? Either that or you somehow believe such a person doesn't exist? The only other option is it's about being spiteful in a way that won't help anyone at all. Conservative men are already having trouble getting women and you aren't going to turn them liberal by not having sex with anyone. For this to ever work you'd need a large percentage of women to participate, which obviously isn't going to happen.

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[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I call bullshit. Any politicaly aware liberal/progressive woman can sniff out a conservative dude 5 miles away. They ain't fucking these kinda dudes unless they actually wanna be fucking them. I just don't see it

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (20 children)

Understandable.

But sweaering of ALL men is neither healthy nor realistic and the 4B movement is not really helping the issue. Plua the movement is extremely transphobic and essentialist. Its just TERFs doing a thing again...

A more practical solution: Dont date MAGA and leave them if need be. Take the children from them as well. They deserve scorn for voting in a dictator, just because they cant get laid. And they deserve to be reminded on how parhetic they are for all of it every single das until they change.

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Agreed. I also can understand the feelings behind this, but it seems to ignore that quite a number of women voted for Trump.

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 52 points 3 days ago (6 children)

But the large swatch of incel's that voted for Trump aren't going to be affect by this.

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[–] cylon@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

Wait for more polarisation.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 3 days ago (25 children)

Guys always ask me how to meet women. I say, " It's easy, be polite and learn how to communicate." None of them succeed.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Women will continue to demand better for themselves and some men will continue to get more radicalized in retaliation until we start raising boys to be empathetic and not sexualizing them so they feel entitled to people’s bodies.

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