You Should Know

The US has double taxation treaties with over 60 countries. When you pay taxes somewhere else, you deduct all of that tax from your US taxes above the $125k.

Though I definitely agree the IRS shouldn't need these treaties, because if you're not living there, why should you even need to file?

They also charge you a crazy exit tax if you want to give up citizenship in order to save on taxes. They always get their pound of flesh.

Add that to the list

Double taxation treaties are very common. What I've been told by US coworkers makes the US stand out is that you still need to file your taxes with the IRS, even when living abroad. No idea if that's actually the case.

I have lived outside my native country for a while and only had to file taxes in my country of residence (neither of which is the US), because there's a DTAA in place between the two.

"over the threshold, you're expected to pay taxes"

sort of, that's the "up to 125k" limit part of the FEIE(readjusted for inflation every year).

you still don't pay taxes on the first 125k.

earning more than 125k is not a problem most people have.

The problem most people have is not knowing that the feie exists in the first place and there are legal, straightforward ways to avoid paying income tax while saving money traveling.

"no matter if you're also paying taxes wherever you currently are..."

this is very iffy and depends on a lot of factors.

again, for most regular people, foreign income tax credits will erase most financial duties to the US.

"The US is the only country in the world..."

nearly.

"It's not normal."

nope, it's definitely weird and it sucks.

but at least there's the FEIE.

That's right.

The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion specifically applies to earned income, and does not apply to unearned income.

yeah it is totally banana stacks, and nobody tells anybody else how to get around that, of course.

since nobody knows the sacred knowledge anyway.

some tax guy, not my tax guy, just a random guy who worked in taxes, offhandedly mentioned it to me like it was no big deal one day and I was like whaaaat?

most of the expats I know just don't pay taxes because they're dumb, or they're paying taxes that they don't need to because nobody told them about the FEIE.

Because money keeps getting deposited in your bank account every two weeks and you're not reporting any income.

Banks hand all of that information over.

Honor system

Do you live abroad? I'm expatting in a few weeks (long planned, not in a pure panic due to Trump) and would love ask a few questions if so!

"However, since you don't pay taxes on that money, it can impact which kinds of retirement accounts you can use, if any"

The math works out in your favor.

wouldn't you rather have that money earning interest now rather than receiving a few hundred later on when you probably don't need it as much?

"Also, trying to invest as a US citizen outside the US can suck because of all the agreements with US banks."

it can suck, and it can also be awesome.

I see you're speaking specifically to Japanese banking standards, which I would agree are one of the more difficult countries for a US citizen to interface with.

but that's a great thing about there being about 200 countries.

Bank somewhere else if you want to.

try Hong Kong or China or Thailand or Portugal or Sweden or you know, a lot of countries.

you don't have to live in the country you bank in.

do you mean "another option to avoid paying taxes is renouncing your citizenship?"

in which case, yeah, extreme and still an option.

but the FEIE is way simpler and you can keep the few perks US citizenship still affords its rabble.