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Found at the DDR museum in Berlin. Apparently making childrens play with each other is communist propaganda.

Parenti quote.

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 81 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm genuinely pretty sure the DDR Museum in Berlin is run by socialists who want you to notice this, I swear to god that entire fucking place makes 0 sense otherwise. All the stations are like this, they're describing something good that nominally west germany did or still does but then describe it as bad because the communists did it, it ends with you looking at ginormous flat which it tells you cost the equivalent of 50€ per month or something and that nobody but the the richest 5% of the country could afford in Berlin today, before letting you out via the gift store full of DDR nostalgia to buy. Even all the most unpolitical, co-worker-belief-system people I've went there with caught on to it.

[–] normal_user@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yes, i think there is a panel where it tells you that some worker for a 3 room apartment pays 10% of their salary. Then they show you a standard 3 room apartment and while going through it I was so surprised because I would never be able to afford anything even close to it.

But all the museum is about how people where oppressed and poor !?

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"This is because the evil communist government hated the free market and smol bean landlords janet-wink"

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

IIRC their big bad scary point, and admittedly that works on most germans, is that you have a Tram station right outside since nobody could afford or get cars

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I already can't afford a car monke-rage

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

yeah but that's your fault now

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Driving is horrible and I want to die everytime I do it. I'd take the tram station over driving anyday.

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think the most egregious one to me was the stasi listening post that said they listened in to every 3rd person or something along those lines. this was post snowden, so by objective metrics that seemed a lot better than the allied NSA listening in to 100% of everything lol

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stasi emplyed less people per capita than western German secret service lol, seems like somebody had read way too much Oh'well

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Stasi emplyed less people per capita than western German secret service lol

Mistake

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

smuglord: “Well, the people who MATTERED were oppressed and poor! How were they supposed to feel good about themselves if even the weak were allowed to live?”

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[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

before letting you out via the gift store full of DDR nostalgia to buy

Holy shit you're not kidding

I went to check their online shop and it is entirely the kind of merch you'd expect to see in a pro socialist shop: plenty of Hero of Labour merch, Marx and Lenin stuff, a faux DDR passport notebook, that kinda stuff. There's a few things that border on either being actual anticommunism or possibly parody (like a sign saying "No Goods Today" in German), but none of it looks like it's meant to be ironic

Adding on as I look at more things: they sell a magnet celebrating the formation of the DDR (Republic Day, October 7th). I'm with you, there's no way this place isn't run by socialists

[–] miz@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Republic Day, October 7th

another reason to celebrate

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Example of the one thing the west is good at being used against it: Propaganda.

You don't say "we're perfect." You say "oh well sure we've got our flaws, but it's nuanced and really the other guys aren't even trying!"
Now it's just being deployed by socialists. They say "oh well the DDR wasn't perfect, you couldn't choose your own apartment (which cost 50 euro a month) and people had so much free time they fucked a lot, which isn't very productive. Compare it to our modern system where we can't fix our own things and we work so hard we're too tired to fuck! We make so much stuff! Anyway if you wanna ironically buy a Lenin poster or this book going into more details, feel free to do so!"

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

socialism is when all people in the world love each other but unironically

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[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes hi I'm sending my kid to kindergarden in Germany right now. It's the same thing under capitalism 😲

Except there's worse coverage, non-german citizens get discriminated by not getting the same coverage and it costs 250€/hour if you go out of pocket.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

also the wait lists in some major cities are so long that you might want to get your kid on them before you even get pregnant

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this not how kindergartens are everywhere in the world or am I missing something? They are trying to make it sound extra nefarious

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Okay but nap time was fucking bullshit and I had better things to do than lay on a cot pretending to sleep for an hour or whatever the fuck.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It was truly afwul.

Except that one time when some girl laying next to me was trying to teach me how to count to a 100. I tried to show it off to my parents later that day but couldn't remember any numbers past 50

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

The gamer gulag will have mandatory nap times

[–] piccolo@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lol I was there recently and also noticed that. The whole museum was full of propaganda, but it was cool to see some of the exhibits, like the Trabant. Some "fun" anticommunist highlights included:

  • The dystopian evil jail cell run by the communist dictators (about the same size as the room I rent in [major city, imperial core country])
  • The dystopian evil kindergarten with a rigid schedule including play and nap time
  • The dystopian evil standard allocated apartment that EVERYONE had and there was NO individuality (much bigger than the room I rent, and for much less money)
  • The dystopian evil SEX that all the HORNY EAST GERMANS were having (the museum explained it as a result of there being nothing else to do, lol)
  • The dystopian evil DIY repair culture
  • The dystopian evil tired bureaucrats who looked more like people than Bond villains
  • The dystopian evil LGBTs who weren't forbidden from existing by the state
  • The factory farming that happened under the DDR (which, like, as a vegan, sure, but it's not like the Federal Republic or any Western country wasn't doing this)
  • There was literally a panel saying that all Eastern bloc states weren't allowed to deviate from the USSR's policies or will, then gave an example of the DDR doing just that to resist Soviet reforms in '85

And every single bullet point here made my blood boil (supposed to be a translation of some of the key terms, without propaganda):

spoiler (sorry, I only photographed the English text)

Anyways, I guess I funded anticommunist propaganda by visiting and also buying a DDR patch

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[–] Poogona@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

kindergarteners should have their "individual initiative" suppressed, kids at that age are SOCIOPATHS

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (14 children)

for real. I have some childless friends. which I should say I am also childless, but I like kids and used to teach kids from ages 10-17. my friends have never worked with kids and never interact with them, but they remember school as being mean to them and not letting them achieve their maximum individual potential, so they think kids should just have all this unstructured magic playtime to explore their own genius.

I'm not saying we need to be shitty to them, but kids are crazy. they need to be constantly reminded not to cough in others' faces, not to dig in their own assholes and then touch group food, not to act like goddam maniac when someone it's someone else's turn with a shared resource, and that it's important to play in a group activity or accomplish a task with a partner and realize a shared vision.

kids can be absolutely fuckin bonkers' ass little terrorist monsters with no impulse control, and people who think they are magic enlightened angels should be forced to work with them for like one day.

[–] Poogona@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have a niece who keeps biting people

I am afraid of her

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rofl this is probably caused by the hilarious reactions she gets when she does this, either the elation adults show because it's funny af or the shock and surprise being entertaining. Discouraging it is very difficult and a lot of kids do it for the same reasons - incorrect reactions from those around them end up reinforcing the behaviour.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

I agree, Parenti Quote parenti indeed. This would be "Uplifting News" material if in a Capitalist nation.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This person is gonna absolutely lose their shit if anyone ever tells them about schools.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

their orietntal indoctrination facilities vs our free and benevolent prussian education system

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It kinda funny how the German is already heavily loaded and trying to make it a bad thing, but the English translation is reducing any amount of nuance the original text still had left in it, painting it as this devil institution brainwashing young people into becoming soulless borg commies.

for example, the original last sentence reads like this, faithfully translated: "Socialist morals and a positive attitude to life in a community were more important learning goals than the development of individual skills."

Here's the whole thing, trying to be as faithful and transliteral as I can be to the original:
Kindergarten served not only for childcare, it was also the first educational institution, anyone born in the GDR would visit. Obviously, because of this, state leadership had an interest in providing wide coverage: places at a Kindergarten were available for way more than 90 percent of children. The daily schedule was precisely planned and applicable to everyone: they would play together, eat together and have naps together - under instruction [you could read this as "guidance" too, but the tone of the original is very clearly already trying to make the supervision part of childcare into an evil commie thing, so yea]. Socialist morals and a positive attitude to life in a community were more important learning goals than the development of individual skills.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s funny bc I have a very rudimentary knowledge of German that never progressed beyond pointing at things and saying “der kase, das madchen” or whatever and I was going back and forth like “this does not look like it’s lining exactly” lol

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dance dance revolution museum

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The ritual was subject to rigid planning, the couple would move together as a collective, respond to thrusts made by the other, and even drink each other’s bodily fluids through various means and orifices.

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What lead paint huffing fever dream has these dipshits thinking life under capitalism "encourages the development of individual ability"

[–] WideningGyro@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's just a nice way of saying that under capitalism "children will be left alone, to fend for themselves".

"We would throw them to the forest to live with wolves, but both wolves and forests seems to disappear under our glorious system"

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

Oh no! Our daycare does all of this too! I can't believe I've sent my children to a communist daycare!! In AMERICA NO LESS!!

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

Teaching children collective group think… or just the most logical way to heard around 20-30 rabid 4-5 year olds who can say

[–] serenityseeker@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Montessori, for example, has a more free-flowing structure to the child's day, where they can do an activity when they feel like it, stop when they feel like it. The idea is that then they're always in the right mental state (i.e. engagement) for the task they're doing then.

If the only reason the child is painting, for example, is "because it's 2 o'clock", then the child likely doesn't feel like doing that then.

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What the fuck, please show me even a single kindergarten in the world where things are not done as a collective, not only early socialisation of children is the point, but there's one teacher per group.

Whomever wrote this must be a camouflaged Solarian from Asimov books.

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[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Didn't the Germans invent kindergarten lmao.

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Speaking as a parent, I can say that all babies are born Libertarian. Even liberal education systems understand that they need that shit socializing out of them at an early age

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

~~bedtimes~~ naptimes are authoritarian and fascist

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Honestly all the flak other leftist sects give anarchists should be attributed to porky, he’s the real “anarkiddie”.

The climate crisis is literally porky throwing a tantrum that he doesn’t WANNA clean up after himself.

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[–] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's just a regular kindergarten though. What am I missing? "They indoctrinate" yeah, that's what insitutions of education do. Just because we like our system doesn't mean we should pretend you don't get served your head and ass with liberal talking points (case in point: That museum text).
Also all kindergartens plan the day for the kids. They're toddlers, that's kind of what they need, some adult supervision alongside the opportunity to socialize and experiment in a safe environment (which is what happens when they play together.) What would the alternative even be? The kids have to eat meals on their own? They don't get fed the whole day? They don't take naps? Try having them take naps while the rest are playing and see what happens, lmao what the fuck are they saying here?

Furthermore the kids do have individual expression in the playtime! Like what are they talking about?

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