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translation: There are people conjuring thoughts like "I've seen one too many brown people".

Also unsurprising where the sentiment is coming from:

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago

Argentina as usual being two racists in a trenchcoat pretending to be white

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do people in Japan think that 10% of the population is foreign!?

I guess Argentina makes a bit more sense - except that not many people are trying to get to Argentina. That sounds like Argentina though.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Argentina have a lot of immigration from Perú, Bolivia and Paraguay, but the important part, I think, is that Milei campaign were pretty much "illegal immigrants are destroying our country" and proposing a lot of shit that already exists, like background checks to get work and studying permits.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

A lot is apparently not that many, and Argentina doesn't need migrants to destroy everything, the extremely racist middle class and other European migrants already did that.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I assume it's the same in most areas - humans are really susceptible to sampling bias and if you live in an urban area, you're going to see a higher number of immigrants or foreigners. Plus, in Japan specifically, there's currently a big backlash against tourists fucking with people's daily routines, so I'm sure people mentally think there must be hordes of foreigners constantly invading the country.

Interesting that Argentina has the largest disparity here, actually. I would have expected it to be the US, given the rhetoric.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

These polls tend to fumble their own methods, by trusting people to read definitions. They should be asking directly: how many people in your country were born in another country? The word "immigrant" literally means that... but that's not the only meaning people envision, when they hear that word. To some extent you are always measuring that disconnect.

On the other hand, what fucking lunatics think 22% of America is Muslim?

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

how do people in the US think Muslim folk make up 22% of the population!? My guess was like 4-5% and I still overshot by a lot.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

I think the issue is that most people live in cities, where populations tend to me more diverse. Then most polls probably also end up disproportionately asking cityfolk. So the polls ask people who live in areas with disproportionate numbers of immigrants (relative to non-urban parts of the country), and they forget how many non-immigrants are outside the cities.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago
[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who are all the people immigrating to Australia?

[–] bomibantai@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Malaysians, Chinese, indians, I've even met a couple from Timor

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's also a common destination for upper middle class families on latinamerica, because you can pay in doing an MBA and getting a job.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
Skilled   Family   Humanitarian All permanent migrants(b)
1 India  356,100 China (c)  133,000 Iraq  62,400 India  439,700
2 England  197,300 India  81,900 Afghanistan  30,700 China (c)   334,900
3 China (c)  196,500 England  79,700 Myanmar  21,100 England   277,500
4 Philippines  103,200 Philippines  64,000 Syria  20,900 Philippines   167,400
5 South Africa  101,300 Vietnam  61,500 Iran  17,300 South Africa   118,200
6 Australia (d)  65,300 Thailand  34,400 Sudan  12,300 Vietnam   82,400
7 Malaysia  52,000 United States of America  27,300 South Sudan  7,000 Australia (d)   75,900
8 Sri Lanka  48,300 Indonesia  21,000 Pakistan  6,600 Iraq   72,700
9 Korea, Republic of (South)  40,700 Afghanistan  18,900 Thailand  5,800 Malaysia   69,200
10 Pakistan  39,000 Korea, Republic of (South)  18,700 Ethiopia  5,700 Sri Lanka   67,700

The above is from https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/permanent-migrants-australia/2021

Looks like all the British are a problem

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We've got people from all the continents, but mostly Asia.

Earlier this year at work each team put out a flag for each team member, and across like 100 flags there was surprisingly little repetition besides predictably China and India. Australia was maybe in 5th place.

My team has 15 people and we joked that our only Australian was a diversity hire.

We do software development in case you didn't guess yet.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Japan what the hell? When I'm there I usually go hours without seeing another white person, depending on where I'm at.

They would have immigrants primarily from other parts of asia most likely

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

They get a lot of workers from places like Indonesia

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What share of the population do you think are immigrants?

Where does “I don’t care” register?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, same here, zero fucks given, they're people, let them move where they want. The upside, if I dont like it I can fuck off.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We have cities in germany where "5.5%" really doesn't paint the right picture. I've recently been to one where most shops had signs i can't read and more muslims than i saw in Turkey or elsewhere. Seeing or hearing (a) german was a rare exception. And this is really no exaggeration.

Of course if you take all the rural areas into the equation, where usually very few are, you might see the 5% in toto, but in the cities and especially the cores? No way.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This does not count Ukrainians for Poland though, even for 2022 before war there were much more of them than 2%, possibly as many as 3 million and that went up in years included here.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yep, that's true, the latest census was from 2021, and the figure was 3.69%.

Probably the figures weren't available to Ipsos at the time, despite the publishing date :/? Idk..

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's different question though on the census, about nationality of Polish citizens. Most of numbers of minorities with citizenship in Poland are Polish minorities who were born in Poland. Like Silesians who are not even officially considered minority and still half million of them wrote that in (in reality there's at probably around a million of them since once the census bureau included them despite government not wanted to admit them at all). And even let's say Polish Germans, Belorussians and Ukrainians (at least those 80000 mentioned in this census) are also living here for generations due to how frequently borders changed in last two centuries.

Polish state is also relentlessly engaging in polonisation of minorities since 1918.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Argentina and the US being just overt racists is accurate

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Apart from a couple of countries, the percentages are small. The graph is distorted as it's not showing the full 100%

Looks like most people, in most countries, are pretty close to accurate.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Alternative view (directly from the source):

IMO being off by around 10% or more is still quite the leap.

[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Poland's perception being off by 7x is pretty wild.

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[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah as much as I love to call people out for their racist bullshit, the results are surprisingly close to the mark. I was expecting the gap to be much wider. At least for the English speaking countries.

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

who in australia thinks we have 20% muslims? we probably dont even have 20% christians

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Interesting that Canada wasn't included (at about 20%). Wonder how/why they picked those countries.

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