chapotraphouse

It’s a thought terminating cliche at this point.

going to start using "american disinformation" to disarm libs, that's such a smart turn of phrase

Death to America

"Russian disinformation" is the one of the most effective pieces of propaganda the US has ever produced, and the US is pretty damn good at producing effective propaganda (you do not gotta hand it to them)

Other things once considered to be russian disinformation include:

The civil rights movement

The fact Germans were doing the Holocaust

"Russian disinformation" is in the same vein as "Chinese bots/wumao"

It's a thought terminating cliché and nothing more.

At this point “Russian disinformation” is just a shorthand for “foreign lies”. Even though disinformation tends to be more subtle and complicated than just telling lies. At best, libs have heard the thing about “nothing is true and everything is possible” and just been like, “yup, this is how I feel” even though it’s generally capitalist social media making them feel like that

A nostalgia for the year 2014:

I disagree. It isn't effective propaganda but a quick slogan to dismiss criticism. If its not Russian disinformation, it'd be "conservative propaganda" or performative and ceremonial politics like it was during the Obama administration. The heart of the sentiment is indifference and annoyance.

In other words, "don't make me think about politics". Brace Belden mentioned this in a True anon episode a month ago, and a recent post on the_dredge_tank linked a redditor who echoed the same sentiment (despite working in politics and having a PhD thereof).

A sentiment articulated in that Red Sails article about propaganda, or how Morris Berman - an academic who describes the US - says that the "wool isn't over American eyes, but they are the eyes"; which means American culture makes Americans inherently delusional and prone to refute any challenge to it. Americans have been under such cultural hypnosis likely as long as the post-independence period from Britain.

These generations of Americans want to believe in their idealized version of it to the detriment of everyone else, including themselves, because they themselves have it pretty good. Their material conditions do not prompt them to question the American civic religion.

Why the fuck does Russia care what I think? Wouldn't it make a lot more fucking sense that our own government is trying to manipulate our understanding of the world?

A counter example to this would be the CIA. But the thing with US foreign propaganda is that it's absolutely objective, documented, so massive that there's no place in the world left untouched by it, everyone knows it happens whether they admit it or not.

On the other hand, the so called Russian propaganda machine that looms above the world according to them still remains unproved for the most part, and doesn't make any sense when the widely accepted world views and ideologies in the west are the ones pushed by the US, not Russia. So either the propaganda doesn't exist, or it's entirely powerless compared with the propaganda done by the US.

It's so powerful it broke out of the libs in America to infect everywhere else. The brewing Canadian election now has the Liberals accusing the Conservatives of being paid by Russian disinformation. The Cons are sketchy as fuck and not helping their own case either but now we also have the same "Everything I don't like is Russia" shit

Libs are mirroring hard and aren't even aware of that 🥶

It’s just “fake news” but racist

Why the fuck does Russia care what I think?

The evil Ruzzins are trying to undermine the integrity of our wholesome keanu chungus democracy. They want the cheeto in the White House because Putler is the cheeto's puppet master! /s

It seems to only be really effective with NATO countries. They tried that here and it just didn’t work.

I was just reading an opinion piece on Telesur about russophobia and how the west uses Russia as the ultimate thought-terminating-cliche

In an interesting article called “Russophobia: the other war” the analyst Elson Concepción Pérez points out that “The United States, NATO and the fascists in Ukraine have made Russophobia a kind of booklet in which each of the elements appear, duly ordered, to create a scenario of hatred towards Moscow, its authorities, its people and even its own history. The objective that is pursued is to reverse, and at the same time justify, the true root of the current war situation, placing NATO troops and its war resources very close to Russian territory, wanting to make people believe that it is the Russian government that is acting against the neighboring nation. The same purpose is had by those who supply multimillion-dollar figures of all kinds of weapons to Kiev, to act against the Russian military, or by those who impose economic, commercial and other sanctions on the country, in order to weaken it and make it surrender" end quote

A desire to be relevant to NATO and to everything that smells of Washington, which will cost them dearly in terms of sovereignty. The cultural triumph of the United States and its closest allies who are leading the European flock to the abyss is total. In this panorama it is also evident that the world of the left has lost its way, is missing the direction of development and even the valuable action of criticism, where support for the Kiev regime is the majority, without making a minimum analysis of how the current state of things came about.

And, if we take the process of extermination against the Palestinian people, this left has been incapable of showing a moral and correct path that would end, for example, with the financial and military support for the national-Zionist regime. The European Union is simply a sounding board for what Washington says and orders regarding Ukraine and Israel. It is shameful to note, for example, that Germany is today the second country that provides the most weapons to the Israeli entity to carry out the genocide of the Palestinian people. A Germany co-opted by Zionism and by Russophobic positions that are deplorable.

https://www.telesurtv.net/blogs/europa-el-nuevo-patio-trasero-de-washington/

Liberals are completely delusional, they exist so deeply entrenched in their fantasy of history and material reality that any opposition must literally come from nefarious lies. No counter narratives, no other circumstances even leading someone to an opinion they consider wrong, nope just plain disinfo by the evil slavs

To be fair libs only view the world through the lens of domestic propaganda. So they can only internalized challenges to it as such

the enter gnash yonnel community strikes again

We need our own words for American lies:

McDisinformatburger

Why shouldn't each country be able to make its own independent decisions about who it sanctions?

IMO if you're talking to the typical liberal you have to pick and choose your arguments to avoid the ones where no dissension will be allowed. Replacing US intervention in Ukraine with US involvement in Iraq is much more likely to get them on-side.

It's effective as a thought-terminating cliche, which is a sign that they are experiencing cognitive dissonance and what you are saying is almost working.

The solution to a thought-terminating cliché is to not let them change focus. Keep attention on the thing they called Russian disinformation and walk through it.

It sounds like this is online or via text. As a warning, this is the worst possible way to have this kind of conversation. In-person is much more powerful, in no small part due to the fact that liberals rarely actually know anything and they have to Google things to keep up.