Dang... and the free market was just about get around to replacing those pipes too.
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Damn. That is cynical AF.
I love it.
Didn't the corrupt supreme court just take away Chevron Deference? This needed rule will be disqualified by the captured courts.
Trump will mandate more lead pipes. "They took the sweetness out of the water! Water used to be sweet! It isn't sweet anymore! We like sweet water, don't we, folks?"
That honestly would not surprise me if he did allow lead. He thinks asbestos is 100% safe and is only being removed because the mob lobbied for it to get the construction contracts.
And let's not forget that Reagan wanted to reverse banning the use of lead and had a study commissioned to show how much money it would save the economy. The person writing the report decided to add in the massive negative health and societal consequences of removing the ban which showed a huge cost to the economy by removing the ban.
Trump is straight up trying to kill Americans. He is Russia's most dangerous bioweapon
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I mean good, but also Jesus Christ how is this even an issue in the states?
It's expensive and time consuming to replace pipes. Many cities don't have accurate maps of their pipes either. The actual danger from the existing pipes is extremely low under normal circumstances.
You've met us, right? Don't we seem a little off? Now you know why.
Along with the other reasons, people were relatively content with the excuse that the layer of buildup within the pipes would protect from the lead.
People forget that the proximate cause of the lead contamination in Flint wasn't the pipes themselves (which had been in use, relatively safely, for decades), but instead that locals in charge of the water system got forcibly replaced with an emergency manager appointed by the (Republican) governor, who ordered the system to be switched from sourcing water from Detroit (Lake Huron) to the Flint River to save money and failed to treat it with the usual corrosion-control additives that Detroit had been using.
To blame the pipes is to let the Republicans off the hook for their miserliness, incompetence and systemic racism.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/flint-water-crisis-everything-you-need-know
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2016/01/epa_official_says_he_was.html
The argument isn't just about acute or symptomatic exposure, but any exposure.
Lead can bioaccumulate within our bodies and while we may not yet know to what extent of health issues it can pose, we do know it is a neurotoxic substance.
What you are arguing is the equivalence of putting all of the blame on a construction team for lead/asbestos exposure when neither should have been used in the beginning. Yes, Flint should have been handled better, but the pipes also shouldn't have been leaded in the first place.
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Big business pays off everyone from the top down to ignore that the issue is killing everyone, from the top down.
USA is #1 shithole country.
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I expect SCROTUS to overturn this by saying Americans have the right to lead contaminated water, and if they don't like it they can buy Nestle™ distilled water
Coincidentally, all the conservative justices will be taking a 6 month long all expenses paid cruise around the world
they can buy Nestle™ distilled water
Hah, they don't waste the energy to distill it. They just pump it up from the ground on the other side of Michigan, filter it, and ship it back out. (As well as many other places where Nestle steals water.)
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Wow so ambitious, and then as we near the deadline we can extend it by 10 years!
well we only have 50 years left so they only gotta push this off like three times and then it won't matter
Actually if trump gets elected that plan is going to get shelved entirely. Way worse.
We're actually in full swing replacing lead lines already. The BIL funding is paying for it and there's an imminent deadline to have a lead inventory (Oct 16)
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Only 10 more years to enjoy that good old water with a tinge of "Roman sweet".
My town's water system still has some "pipes" in use that are actually hollow logs.
My fluids professor told us about that when someone asked why do we have wood on the material roughness tables. No one believed him so he brought in a small section of a wood pipe he took from a construction site.
I went with all PFAS pipes cause I heard they last forever
Forever and ever, even as inheritance to untold future gens!!
(Not as pipes tho, just pure uncut PFAS)
Like the p-t boundary it will mark a mass extinction event in sedimentary rock layers for 100s of millions years.
They've lasted all this time, and are lead-free! If only we still had trees like that...
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My city just did the lead pipe replacement. I did not do my house feed because I can’t swing 16k 6 months after they announced plans to do it (that’s also fully 1/4 of what I originally paid for the whole house 10 years ago, and I’m still making payments on that -I’m in a very low COL area, 40k is really good pay here, I usually make around 30k when I’m able to work-, so that is a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money for me), cuz yeah the city doesn’t cover from the main line into the house.. (I do have a reverse osmosis unit, however, because I’ve known about the lead pipes since I bought the place, and all my drinking or cooking water goes through that, so I’m not like consuming lead all the time, just microplastics..)
When I told them I can’t afford it because I’m unemployed and disabled, they told me I should just take out a loan for it. Yeah, because that’s a great idea when you don’t have money or know when you might… increase your monthly money needs! Brilliant! They then said I’ll have to do it by 2028 or my water will be shut off… cool, that makes me feel a lot better about being fucking broke.
So like I’m totally on board with replacing them, but holy fuck does it suck for the affected areas. To say nothing of 4 months of constant structure-shaking construction.
In Rotterdam (Netherlands) they're replacing the sewage system. People get a letter that they're responsible for the bit on their ground. In practice the city also handled the line to the house.
I don't understand why in your area they'd not take care of that bit. With everything mostly open it should be much easier anyway.
That the city doesn't promise anything is likely for things like liability and unique/expensive exceptions. But not doing that in practice, so strange.
They decided to repair the sidewalks last year, just out of nowhere, and tacked the amount on to your property tax as a special assessment if you didn’t make arrangements of your own to have someone come out and fix it when they wanted it fixed by. Any little crack was enough for them to demand you rip out the whole slab, even though the sidewalks have been in disrepair for over a decade, so they clearly didn’t care before. It was not a fun surprise when the flyer came that basically said “these are the slabs we’ve decided to replace, this is what we are going to charge you, you have to pay the full amount this year.”
And like, I know sidewalks are sort of a gray area, but I already take care of them (clear leaves, snow, etc) and stuff, I shouldn’t also have to privately pay for them to be maintained on my property when I can’t choose not to have them..
So like my area is good for a lot of things, but that definitely isn’t one of them. I’m pretty sure because it’s a conservative area, the money is being intentionally funneled into specific companies doing the work, and they can’t charge nearly as much if the city picks up the tab. Probably friends with or bribing the people making decisions..
They decided to repair the sidewalks last year, just out of nowhere, and tacked the amount on to your property tax as a special assessment if you didn’t make arrangements of your own to have someone come out and fix it when they wanted it fixed by.
I'd like to highlight for a moment just how fucking outrageous and unacceptable this actually is. The sidewalks are part of the street. It is ass-backwards to be treating pedestrians as second-class compared to drivers!
And like, I know sidewalks are sort of a gray area
Absolutely fucking not. They are 1000000000000000% just as much the responsibility of the government as the rest of the street is. You should be fucking pissed that the city is shirking its responsibility for them and saddling you with it instead!
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I cant beleive how political lemmy is. cant we just have our lead pipes in peace and not have to deal with the politics about the made up story that lead pipes are bad ??
I mean Flint's problems were caused by switching the water source to save money, not lead pipes. However, replacing lead pipes would be great as well. Most drinking water in America is very safe though. It just tastes like crap.
if the pipes hadn't been lead the water switch would not have triggered the issue. we had 3 contributing factors: old lead pipes, water source change, and people in charge that made a decision they should not have been able to make with little to no consequences for doing it.
Guess which ones out of those 3 we actually have the power to act on.
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you Americans have ... what?
What's next? Asbestos in your toilet paper?
I used to live in a town where ~10% of water lines were still wood, if I recall correctly.
Where are you from? Lead pipes are still a thing most everywhere unfortunately. A relic of the past. They aren't used for new construction, but they are a problem with older infrastructure.
I am from Berlin Germany. Just looked it up and no. The main grid is 100% free from lead.
https://www.bwb.de/de/wasseranalyse.php
Edit: may be a German thing. We value tab water really high. The quality standards are higher than from bottled water.
Germany banned Lead Pipes in the southern region over a century ago but elsewhere still installed them in homes until 1973 and started regulating lead content in water in 2013, at which time A LOT of infrastructure was removed and replaced.
Still, many people are not aware of the lead pipe problem. "Drinking water in Germany is generally of high quality, and that's the message people take with them," says Karin Gerhardy, of the German Technical and Scientific Association for Gas and Water (DVGW), which works closely with water suppliers and authorities.
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10 years is "someone else's problem" timeframe
Feels like without the legislature this is something that's way too easy to overturn
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On the bright side, if Miami has any lead pipes, they're about to get a head start on digging them out.
The only pipelines we should be building
I live in rural Michigan and they are replacing the pipes now .. should get to my house next year
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