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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

We makin it outta the constitution with this one

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 111 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

The senator limit would be ok, if not for the hard limit on representatives, which fucks over once again states with high population.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 46 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Number of people per representative should be set based on the state with the lowest population. CA should have 68 reps as they have 68.5 times the population of Wyoming.

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly we should set it so Wyoming has like 5 reps and then use that as a baseline. Increase the total number of reps 10 times and make each district manageable for one person to campaign in.

This would negate the problems with the electoral college and make gerrymandering much harder to pull off.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

if we're going to do that why even have districts and just do party list proportional voting to elect a state's reps instead?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Districts are nice in that you have a local representative beholden to you(ish) that you can bring issues to.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

assuming its not gerrymandered by a political party that sees you as an enemy

[–] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's with the same total number of representatives, or will Congress need to be upgraded?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, that would mean getting rid of the Reappointment Act of 1929 and implementing the proposed Wyoming Rule

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Somebody said states would secede if the coasts decided everything. Anybody ever researched this?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is Texas a coast state? because they're the second largest state

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 7 hours ago

They have a coastline but they're mad it's not the Gulf of 'Merica.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think the Senator limit is okay. For instance, the city of Houston has more population than North and South Dakota combined (4 senators) and gets zero senators (Houston is consistently Democrat and is "represented" by two Republicans that do nothing for them).

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's the point of the Senate: land gets equal votes

The house is for population, but we fucked it by capping the total number of reps you can have there

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Land doesn't have rights. It's just gerrymandering by another name. The problem works both ways. The rural fuckheads in California are also unrepresented. Harris County (where Houston is located) is larger than Rhode Island. Where is their representation? Why do the Dakotas (4 senators for virtually no population) get more political power than California or Texas? Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio get no representation despite a huge amount of population. Rural Californians get no representation despite outnumbering the Dakotas and Wyoming.

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[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

100% agree with this we limited congress to the size of a building for some stupid reason

Second conversation. Why are some states large and others big shouldn't we chop them up more?

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

Massively agree on the states issue. The original idea was a bunch of little countries that only shared a handful of federal powers. That concept has completely fallen apart and now we're just an extremely poorly organized country with wildly different sized regions.

We either need to break every state into roughly the same size or we need to start merging too small states together until we have a collection of California sized states to manage.

For many people 'their state' has little meaning to them beyond sports teams and food trends. They have extremely low interest or engagement in state politics which is a major problem.

But this is an impossible dream, so we're pretty much stuck with this horrible arrangement.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

Not enough chairs

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I think the Senate would be fine if it was in charge of a Veto instead of having to also pass the legislation, also if it had a lot more senators to some multiple of 3 at a minimum.

IE doing nothing is just letting everything pass automatically and that cooling pan shit is something senate leaders have to pursue actively with (qualified) majority support.

My ideal procedure. House passes a law, Senate vetoes it with a majority meeting or beating the passing margin of the law in the house, but also representing a majority of all americans, house can override the veto by meeting or beating the population margin the senate's Veto represented.

You may note that there is no president involved in this process. That is because I believe the independent executive is an inherent threat to democracy and that it should be subject to complete erasure and power division to save the republic.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

To achieve its originally intended purpose the Senate should only be able to legislate on interstate matters, not be an equal to the house.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

I'd say my idea is less about equality and more about difference in purpose.

The Senate in my model only vets legislation, and even then, if they don't do it within a reasonable time frame the law passes anyways, and even if they do take the issue up, it can only act by matching or beating the house's vote to pass the law, and do so with a coalition representing a majority of all americans, so if there's 3 senators per state, one californian senator would count for a third of California's population towards this count, aaaaand just to make certain that we're certain it isn't becoming a cornfield court, while the senate can override by matching the house's voting margin, the house can override by matching the population margin the Senate vetoed with.

It's a veto that a wise senate leader would only try to invoke if they knew it could make it stick, or if they felt what had arrived on desk was so egregious it was worth picking the fight over regardless of certainty. As opposed to right now where the Senate just never does anything because of filibusters. Now just sitting on their hands actively reduces their ability to intercept policy or nominations and the theoretical state of debate only lasts as long as until the bill automatically becomes to law for lack of a veto passing under the described conditions.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

More senators gives more power to the smaller states.

The whole idea is ass-backwards anyway. Assigning representation based on lines that were cooked up centuries ago over reasons that are mostly lost to time. It was a compromise to appease the southern Democratic Republicans who feared proportional representation meant they would get trampled on.

And maybe they would. But maybe that also just means that they should. They were worried about tyranny of the majority (i.e. democracy), and now we have tyranny of the minority.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Just gonna skip right on past that reduced threshold to overturn the Senate veto, the having to act on everything they want to halt, and the qualified majority bits huh? Also how in the hell does more senators automatically make small states more powerful? Giving more voice to minorities within small states would technically undermine state level bigwigs trying to have a partisan lock on their senate delegations.

Hawaii is a small state, DC would be a small state, Delaware and most of New England are small states. You really want a one off Republican Majority to be able to just smash Hawaiian autonomy and indigenous rights to pieces without any checks or balances?

This model of the Senate is basically a parliamentary takeover of the role of head of state, only more powerful than the king of england in the sense that it'd be able to invoke the right of veto without instantly causing a constitutional crisis and sparking a revolution.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They don't love all of it, just 3/5ths.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I wonder what percentage of the population gets 3/5ths jokes. 60%?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Oklahoma seems to be flipped around to show her underground side?

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