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[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

Ah yes, there's no reason people would avoid voting for a cop president after a widely publicized lynching.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then why did she get trounced by fucking Klobuchar ?

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's the third post by the OP - haha.

For the record, my argument here is not “she should have beaten Biden in 2020” but “she was a much better candidate than the point at which she dropped indicated, and for instance is substantially better than Klobuchar."

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

lol. Someone ask them why Klobuchar was more popular

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 days ago

They're really telling on themselves with stuff like this. They really have no understanding of politics or politicians. To them, she's just a token who ticks a bunch of boxes, they can't imagine anyone would dislike her based on policy.

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Hillary lost because she was too white and too much of a servant of the patriarchal bourgeois order for anyone to want to turn out for her. Kamala may have the same problem, though liberals seem to be pushing the "Kamala super progressive" lie.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago

It's definitely not that Dem voters would prefer the demsoc candidates that at least give a pretense of caring about people instead of just doing what the Republicans would do

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago

Yup, just too 'woman', which is why Elizabeth Warren was comfortably in second or third for almost the entire race and only tanked after she went warren-snake-green

[–] edge@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

voters, extremely shy from Hillary's loss, were afraid that [Kamala] was too Black

Yes because if Hillary's loss indicated anything it's that a black person can't win. This is definitely a coherent analysis.

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

They were so triggered by her loss in the 2016 general they forgot all about her loss in the 2008 primary

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel that only the democratic party gives half a fuck about "middle [America]" and the people who are waffling between the two candidates. I'm sure you could get a fuck ton of votes doing something, anything popular instead of talking about bullshit Marvel slop quotes to try and convince someone whose high fructose corn syrup coated neurons couldn't conjure a coherent ideology any faster than infinite monkies could.

It's a dogshit analysis.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

someone whose high fructose corn syrup coated neurons couldn't conjure a coherent ideology any faster than infinite monkies could.

data-laughing Wow, that's brutal.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, infinite monkeys would produce a coherent ideology very fast

[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

just how infinite are we talking

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

under my breath jesus christ...

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why are we still doing "too black" as an excuse after having a black president for 8 years?

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 week ago

My theory: I think framing like this is an attempt to create infighting on the left. I remember her doing poorly because she's center right and wasn't the most well known center right dem in the 2020 race. Notably Biden had similar positions and was much more widely known.

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[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

it's wild to me that anyone tries to argue that normal people vote based on how they think a candidate will "appeal to the middle of the country". have these people ever talked to a human in real life that they weren't paying?

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

no the closest they get is reading polling data

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

They have read the concept of polling data

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Small brain: "I'm going to vote for the candidate I like."

Pundits with pundit brain and regular people with pundit brain...

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, Hillary was too black.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

Walking into the White House like

hillary-apartment

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

Yes, that's the reason she had literally no supporters except those K-hive freaks.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I have a leftie telling me that because Cheney endorsed KH , we should take that as evidence that she is a bad candidate and NOT AN ANTIFASCIST.

I kept pointing out that Patton and Stalin invaded Germany and HATED each other. “Ally of convenience” is not a friend. As long as no concessions are made, the best thing you can do is let two enemies destroy each other.

After the main danger is vanquished, we excise our “once and future” enemies the neocons.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

and Patton regretted it every day. Ike was the one really pushing for helping and working with the USSR.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And Patton wanted to recruit the Germans and take the lead in Operation Unthinkable lmao

His comments coupled with slapping that soldier earned him a demotion. Really poor example.

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

George "we fought the wrong enemy" Patton

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those who do not learn history are doomed to... clown themselves on social media.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

First as shitpost, then as meme.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

Dumbest thing I've read all week.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I saw a comment on an .ml instance post about this (maybe a .worlder) saying "WOULD YOU HATE DOGS JUST BECAUSE HITLER LOVED DOGS???"

Well, no. Nor would I if Cheney loved dogs. If Hitler endorsed my political candidate, however...

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Patton and Stalin invaded Germany and HATED each other. “Ally of convenience” is not a friend.

Ask this person what they think of Molotov-Ribbentropf

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

They really typed that out sadness-abysmal

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That would be the one upshot of Kamala winning, trolling libs with “huh turns out voters will vote for a woman guess that wasn’t the problem in prior elections.”

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lib denial is deeper than the Mariana Trench. If Kamala wins - within days there were be op-eds opining the 2016 tragedy. It's a shame voters weren't really for a female candidate then. Hillary could have and should have won. And it would have been an era of kittens, puppies, rainbows, unicorns, joy, and neoliberal wonderment.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They will flip it around as the US becoming less misogynistic since 2016. I can see it now. Nothing has actually changed (except, you know, losing abortion), but libs will act like they were the vanguard for women's issues this whole time.

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

If in the sequel their interests turn out to be uninteresting and their power turns out to be impotence, either this is the fault of dangerous sophists, who split the indivisible people into different hostile camps, or the army was too brutalized and deluded to understand that the pure goals of democracy were best for it too, or a mistake in one detail of implementation has wrecked the whole plan, or indeed an unforeseen accident has frustrated the game this time. In each case the democrat emerges as spotless from the most shameful defeat as he was innocent when he went into it, fresh in his conviction that he must inevitably be victorious, taking the view that conditions must ripen to meet his requirements, rather than that he and his party must abandon their old standpoint.

From Marx's 18 Brumaire: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch03.htm

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Trump only lost to Biden because voters were afraid Trump was too entrepreneurial.

McCain lost to Obama because voters were afraid McCain was too tumor-having.

having a coherent politics is just that easy.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Sure. That's the only reason

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