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[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 93 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Im totally sure Open A.I. will be sued for doing the exact same fucking thing right?

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[–] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lathing a judge literally saying we have to let AI companies steal any IP they wish because we can't allow an AI gap between the US and China.

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

I see it so clearly 😞

by court order, the public loses access to the Internet Archive, and it is instead devoured legally by ~~insatiable AI~~ nonsense LLMs

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judges and congresscritters cheer as Line Go Up and all vibes indicate China Bad Go Down

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please, step away from the lathe

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 months ago

it's OK when ai does it because it's not people getting to use it

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 62 points 3 months ago

Data hoarders were right

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago

we may have to start making excuses for the lack of terror

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago (3 children)

we must wring the Internet Archive for cash because they dared disrespect the auteur behind 'FNNNnnngggmmflorp' porky-point

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

just for that post playa you get to be the pictographic essence of the soylib libbing-out

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

When you punish the poor for having the audacity to not pay out matt

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago
[–] CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

ancient riddle:

if a book is free on the internet but no-one reads it does it count as piracy?

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Lin-Manuel Miranda and Chuck Wendig (who essentially catalyzed the lawsuit)

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But I assure you, my Bad Tweet — which I posted during a very bad time, which is to say, at the start of pandemic lockdowns, when everybody felt like yellowjacket wasps at the end of summer — was not in any way a contributing factor to the publishing lawsuit. We were trapped in our houses. Things were weird. Everybody was nervous. Writers and artists and freelancers had no idea what was going to happen next. We were bleaching our broccoli and washing our hands bloody. It was fucked up. Sorry.

Holy shit, blaming it on the stress of "lockdown"? We never locked down but getting paid to not risk my life at a pointless job was one of the chillest times of my life, so much so that I still yearn for that time to come back even though I was going through a devastating breakup at the time, that's how bad capitalism and having to work are. Unless he was locked at home with an actual domestic violence abuser I can't imagine how he could have been under such immense stress to trigger a lawsuit.

Anyway what was the tweet even? Because I can't see them at all, not even here: https://web.archive.org/web/20200704020133/https://medium.com/nameless-aimless/the-assassination-of-the-internet-archive-by-the-coward-chuck-wendig-5ffb4677ee49

Good evisceration though: "Chuck is less a writer than he is a mouthpiece for corporate fandom and a watchdog for copyright disobedience. His assertion that he is being attacked by bad faith actors misdirecting their anger towards publishers at him is disingenuous. When Metallica drove Napster into bankruptcy over piracy of their albums, they received due backlash for crushing one of the best distribution networks of the early internet era. The difference here is that Metallica made Master of Puppets and Chuck hasn’t even made St. Anger. Chuck Wendig is less interested in writing than he is in mining whatever drips of profit he can from a desiccated industry."

And on that note I've never heard of the guy, has he actually done anything of notable value? Wikipedia just mentions some Star Wars slop and some Marvel slop as his biggest contributions to culture, which sound like net negatives

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

His original tweet(s) were replying to an NPR article about IA's efforts to give people library books over the internet more freely during those same lockdowns he was so upset by.

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Imagine liking the written word so much you write books and then calling libraries "piracy"

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

please-bro i didn’t mean to

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[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone have or could paraphrase his original tweet(s) so far I can't find them. Love to have them for some sort of archive

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

He replied to an NPR piece about IA's emergency library thing in March 2020

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

I saw a comrade calling this whole thing bad on twitter and one of his replies called Chuck his "fellown communist" lol

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

The Internet Archive is still facing a similar, follow on suit filed by a group of major record labels over its "Great 78" program, which collects vintage, 20th century 78 rpm recordings, digitizes them and makes them freely available to the public.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is what idealism does to you.

Hmm today we will openly, defiantly, and unambiguously break the law.

Hmm we've gotten a legal demand to stop and a lawsuit, they say if we stop, apologize and promise never to do it again they'll settle for a pittance but we are taking a moral stand here and believe our moral philosophical arguments hold more weight than the law as written that clearly places us unambiguously in violation of the law.

Court proceeds to ignore their philosophical arguments and enforce bourgeois law as written

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This was beyond obvious as the outcome. Bourgeois courts don't serve some public interest.

So instead now we stand to lose an invaluable, irreplaceable archive of not just the internet over decades of time but also rare media such as movies, TV shows, music videos, and much more all also archived with them. And for what? Because someone couldn't back down and thought that courts in the US served the common interest instead of the wealthy. Because someone forgot the golden rule of piracy and breaking IP laws and that's keep quiet about it.

[–] CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Naive to think the internet archive would have been fine if they backed down. Settling would have only been the thin end of the wedge as more new lawsuits flood in seeking to destroy the archive piece by piece. The bourgeois want to destroy the commons and the law is only a temporary obstacle at most.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

doesnt this put in jeopardy all the libraries that do digital checkout? my local library system does this.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

I mean this was obviously gonna be the result given how copyright works. Not sure why the Internet Archive tried it in the first place. Ultimately you have to rewrite copyright law (lol) or pirate stuff like everyone else

[–] SummerIsTooWarm@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago
[–] Bisexual_Cookie@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

gui to all the soulless husks that are connected to helping destroy the internet archive and resources like it.

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

!I wish to encourage everyone to be extremely complacent, happy, and not to seek any sort of punitive vengeance upon the people suing the internet archive. !I want to encourage love, forgiveness, and hope, but not excessive action, lest tomorrow be darkened with the sin of your actions.

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[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

So, what are the consequences if they said fuck it and hosted this in Russia and China? The owners can still be sued, but what if they transferred ownership to an anonymous corporate entity registered in the cayman islands or some shit?

When will libre people understand that you can’t win against these assholes by going high when they go low?

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

Russia yeah, but are there many piracy sites hosted in China or something? Are they similarly lenient?

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

AFAIK Chinese piracy is a different culture, its mostly done on private/secret forums not with the same public torrent/archive methods we use. Also I'm confident hosting a website inside China is no simple matter given the regulations, certainly it would be trivial for authorities to notice the foreign traffic.

Which leads to the final point, the firewall is also to prevent exactly this.

The CPC isn't going to act on a shared principle of fuck the west here, on the contrary they'd see hosting western piracy content as a potential threat given it bypasses the firewall.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The west must be destroyed

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

Destroying an archive with a Hatchet, classic move douchebags

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

...Yeah, fuck Random House, fuck Hatchette, fuck Penguin, fuck Simon and Schuster. I'm going back to LibGen thanks to this move. Publisher houses delenda est.