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Rachael rule (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
 
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[–] rxin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well her quirk in the movie was basically being able to check the box. or, almost.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you want me to try and check the “replicant” box or the “lesbian” box, Mr Deckard?

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

Deckard: You're reading a magazine. You come across a full-page nude photo of a girl.

Rachael: Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian, Mr. Deckard?

[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Click the boxes to flip over all the tortoises you see on their backs in the desert.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, I'M NOT HELPING?

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

let me tell you about my mother

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is she from the original blade runner? I am bad at using my brain...

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes she is Tyrells assistant in the original

[–] janet_catcus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

more like personal study object, the way he was impressed by how many questions it took for deckard to realize she is a replicant gave me creep vibes...

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

She is definitely Tyrells pet project to see how much further he can take this.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

omg what i literally saw this post and thought of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (I've never seen blade runner)

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

Too bad she won’t live.

But then again, who does?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Could Deckard check the box?

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago

That really depends on what cut of the film we’re talking about.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to Ridley Scott. P. K. Dick disagreed.

😁

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I guess it depends on your reference yeah. In the movies he was a replicate

[–] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The whole point of the movie, besides the cyberpunk dystopia that it created and popularized, is that Deckard is a HUMAN who acts like a ROBOT. He has no joy, no purpose, no meaning. And he rediscovers all of that, ironically, from his interactions with replicants - Roy Batty and Rachael most of all. It's the Sarah Connor, end of Terminator 2 thought that "if a machine - a Terminator - can learn the meaning of life, perhaps there's hope for the rest of us."

And that DOESN'T FUCKING WORK if Deckard is a replicant. Philip K Dick, Harrison Ford, EVERYONE on the production EXCEPT Ridley Scott either knew this or figured it out. But because Mr. Auteur decided to share his braindead take and even cut a scene from a whole-ass other movie into Blade Runner to make you think MAYBE the robot-killer cop is himself a robot because "whoa man how mind-blowing", now we have to get people saying that's how it is for the rest of humanity.

Deckard is not a replicant. END OF.

edit: it has been pointed out to me that Harrison has reversed his stance on whether Deckard is a replicant, and my last sentence was factually incorrect in that there IS, of course, ambiguity in the film about who's a replicant or not. Making Deckard into one, IMO, is still a braindead take that makes the movie subjectively worse, but I should still try to be accurate.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There was ZERO ambiguity about this

Okay, you had me up till this point. There was definitely ambiguity. That's sort of the whole joke of the Voight-Kampff test (and the movie at-large). Discerning humanity isn't trivial or obvious. You can argue that the movie reads better if Deckard isn't a replicant, but the screenplay is deliberately ambiguous with the intent of putting the viewer in Deckard's shoes.

And not merely to ask if this particular character is a replicant, but to ask whether there's any value in hunting for them or any real means of drawing a distinction at all. What is the point of trying to "detect for humanity" if not to find a population we can ethically treat as less-than-human?

The sequel tries to delve into that question a bit more deeply, but gets high on its own auteur supply along the way. What is the purpose of hunting replicants, really? Is there any real social good in sorting "real" humans from artificial ones? Or is it just a hysterical impulse that will lead to our collective self-destruction?

[–] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Fair enough. I think it's safe to say that my reply was a little heated. You are, of course, correct. I will edit my comment.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or, alternatively, you should consider that maybe the replicants are closer to being human than you think.

[–] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Of course they are! I never disagreed with that. They are "more human than human". That's not even a counter argument to what I said, which is "this one specific human, who has basically forgotten how to BE human, rediscovers the joy of humanity through his interactions with non-humans who are ironically more human than he is".

DECKARD👏 IS👏 NOT👏A👏 REPLICANT👏

I will bang this gong 'til the day I die.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Harrison Ford recently said he always knew that he was a replicant. He didn't say it in the start since he felt Deckard would want to believe he was human

[–] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had to look that up, but you are correct. He said it while out promoting 2049. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

This thread is a reminder to me why sometimes, it's better to leave things in art ambiguous.

[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's never explicitly stated in the movie. I believe it's hinted at just enough to make you wonder. Which in turn makes you wonder what even makes a human person. In the sequel I think they pretty heavily lean on him being human.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Both the director and actor have confirmed it though