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MFW the email client gets an AI writer and we Linux users still do not have a drive client. (media.giphy.com)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/protonprivacy@lemmy.world
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I tried rclone and it freaked out at regular ping intervals and instead deleted everything on the drive. GG. I want to like you Proton but your decisions of late are ASTHENATE. I wouldn't have minded the crypto wallet release if basic features on the core apps were remotely coherently finished. The AI writer add on for a local model doesn't even work on Firefox. For people supposedly embracing the FOSStyle, this isn't the way. /rant

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 50 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. Just needed to scream into the void.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So real

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

It makes me a sad panda.

[–] abobla@lemm.ee 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

me waiting the drive linux client

[–] TheDealGuy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Soon ^TM^

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The did explain in a blog post that AI integration was one of the higher requested features. And with an electron client, it's easy to roll out to all platforms.

A drive client for Linux would need to be specifically developed and could not be reused for other platforms.

But yes, I would love a Drive client for Linux. I've recently started moving to Proton and can't make use of Drive without it.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Linux-compatible requests are literally some of the top 5 requests across all apps.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes but for 6% of the userbase. It's frustrating but I can understand them prioritizing other features.

[–] apples_and_pears@mastodon.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@Dave @fossilesque Where did 6% come from?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It was in my head from somewhere, so I went back trying to find out where. I think the number probably comes from this article, in which for VPN users, 6% asked for better Linux support.

They mention Linux in other sections(e.g. Drive) but only as part of the "Other" category and they don't quantify it.

However, the smallest category separately listed for Proton Drive has 8% of the vote, so it's definitely less than that, and it would make sense for it to be around 6% like the VPN one.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

6% asked for better Linux support.

I didn't read the article, but is that 6% of users, or 6% of requests?

If it is the former, you also have to factor in the amount of people didn't request anything at all. If 25% of people requested something, then 6% of all people is actually quite a large portion of requests.

Although Linux users would probably be more likely to be asking for support, so still a vocal minority

[–] apples_and_pears@mastodon.world 2 points 2 months ago

@Dave Thank you. I agree with you 6% is a small percentage. The problem is Linux users don't mind swimming upstream. They dropped M$ (not acceptable in today's business climate of conform or die). They're vocal.

There are other solutions to the problem. Proton is aware of these complications, yet they persist in refusing to make a Linux client for Proton Drive. Worst, they won't say why. The Linux community is watching and searching for a solution...not silence.

[–] apples_and_pears@mastodon.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@Dave @fossilesque Are there (secure) alternatives to a Proton provided Drive application on Linux?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only Linux application I know of for Proton Drive is the Rclone proton drive backend. I haven't used it, it apparently works but is in beta. I would make sure you have other backups though, just in case.

[–] dazo@infosec.exchange 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@Dave @apples_and_pears

I've used Rclone with Proton Drive to mount a directory .... it is dreadfully slow. Maybe directory/file sync (where copies are both places) are better.

I cannot recommend Rclone for Proton Drive in "mount mode" currently.

@protonprivacy This is why I'm still using Tresorit on Linux .... One of two reasons (the other one is access to shared folders with read/write access).

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have never seen a cloud location mounted and usable. Definitely want to do a proper sync where files are stored locally!

[–] dazo@infosec.exchange 1 points 2 months ago

@Dave It actually works quite nicely with Tresorit. And the latency lag is acceptable.

I've been doing this via Rclone + Jotta Cloud with Rclone encryption, which still works better than Rclone + Proton Drive. But not as smooth as Tresorit. Rclone + Backblaze B2 + encryption is also better than the Proton Drive approach.

I've also used this approach in read-only mode with @borgmatic too, which is a great way to restore data from a backup. And that's almost as smooth as Tresorit (even though a very different use case).

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Drive is pretty wonky for me on Mac and iOS, so you’re not missing much.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm just over here wanting a "just the fucking email I signed up for" option, or an "opt out of additional bullshit you didn't ask for" button. Heck, throw in a "disallow any APIs for "AI" permanently button.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Do what I do. I run my own email server. When a company spams me, I create a server level rule that forwards all of their emails to their sales address, and then deletes the email from my server.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I may look in to that.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

FYI: RClone added proton drive support. just synced a 220gb borg archive over last week.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I am aware. I did too, two weeks ago and then it deleted everything after it stopped working.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's odd behavior, haven't seen that before myself. I had to try a few times, the command that finally got it to sync for me was as follows:

rclone sync ./borg crypt:/borg/ --verbose --retries=10 --low-level-retries=20 --drive-chunk-size=32M --protondrive-2fa 123456

then I followed up with a --protondrive-replace-existing-draft=true to fix the remaining errors.

YMMV. Hope you're able to get it working!

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sorry I don't trust it now. When I searched I saw others had the same issue. Be aware and check your files every so often and make a backup. I emailed support and they even clearly had a template for rclone issues.

[–] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I wonder if Proton could shave off some work hours by just putting the API team in contact with the RClone backend developer, or by contributing to it.

I get the feeling even if Proton released a drive app for Linux, all but the most casual users will just be waiting for when RClone learns from it and improves.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's frustrating. I use Proton Drive only for "cold storage" backups, and have to pay for a Filen subscription (which works great!) for things I need to live sync.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

I do this too, but with Dropbox (ew) just because I was an earlyish user.

[–] SZof@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Agree with Filein. Half the cost of gdrive and syncs perfectly with Linux(mint).

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 months ago

Still waiting for Proton Drive, so that I may spend my money on Proton.

[–] TheDealGuy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

i wander where they got the feedback from, that the people wanted AI related features more than say linux support on drive, mail, and vpn