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Like, IDK, despite their political policy ultimately heading that of the foreign and economic policy of the west, they don't seem to be the type to resist if military conflict were to occur against them, and say, Hexbears win against them...

Perhaps we can use them as a sort of hollow government opposition to laugh at, and claim that "we're still a liberal democracy"

Whereas I can see right-libs (cons) at least having some sort of shoddy milita, if not military training, who would gladly fight for left-libs, like the Freikorps defending the Weimar Republic, and the Black Hundreds defending Kerensky's gov't

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

How to do a revolution

oooaaaaaaauhhh

Okay, I think I just screwed up making this post... eh whatevs

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those so called "left" libs are not as friendly to actual leftists as they are republicans and would absolutely fund covert shit to take us out from the inside, all while pretending to be a smol bean concerned about freedom and democracy.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't presuppose that these left libs are friendly to us, but my main point here is that they're practically toothless, when push comes to shove and the reactionaries aren't there to defend the bourgeois state, as they seem highly reliant on reactionaries and the like...

They can fund any reactionaries they like, but as soon as you crack down on them, what else are the left-libs gonna do? Complain about their brunches...?

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

They're only toothless against the right

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I disagree. "Left" libs are often on the front line of violence against the actual left. That's one of the only types of violence they support

[–] gueybana@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I’m having a hard time trying to parse what you’re saying.

If we subjugate the entire military complex, left-liberal politicans who number in the double digits will not resist against the left?

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ok, I'm an idiot for saying what I said, but essentially this -

Have you seen, idk, anti-communist forces against the left, when the latter destroys the bourgeois/reactionary state and rules in its place

More often than not, the majority of the organized opposition are fascists, monarchists, militarists, and all the unredeemable reactionary elements you can thinking, from the Black Hundreds, to Contras...

But you don't hear much about left-liberals doing much damage directly... they're merely good as figureheads and slanderers, now to think of it... the closest I've thought of such people like that are the Hong Kong protesters/rioters...

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Alleged left libs will be providing institutional, economic, and propaganda support for the militant reactionaries. You can't just "wipe out" the former independent of the latter, they are intertwined. The harder an organized left pushes, the more insecure the left libs get, and the more they press the freikorps button. "I don't support their politics but at least they respect the rule of law and protect us from the terrorists. USA! USA! USA!" American "left" liberals are not free if fascistic thinking and will justify it.

In reality, the necessary actions would just be a violent revolution that begins with us defending ourselves. It would require us to adapt and fight on many different fronts and not just against reactionary military elements. The pencil pushers ensuring the function of drones that bomb our rallies could never be considered off limits, and really, once it is war, all logistics and economic support would become a valid target. By the time that would be in full swing, nobody involved in fighting would care about overt reactionary vs. left lib, only what is it strategic value.

. The harder an organized left pushes, the more insecure the left libs get, and the more they press the freikorps button.

The pencil pushers ensuring the function of drones that bomb our rallies could never be considered off limits, and really, once it is war, all logistics and economic support would become a valid target. By the time that would be in full swing, nobody involved in fighting would care about overt reactionary vs. left lib, only what is it strategic value.

I stand corrected... heh, guess I couldn't see that "left libs" were merely just a polite mask and support for scratched liberalism, not a seperate bourgeois group of its own...

When the base is threatened, the left-lib superstructure dissolves

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

If the main opposition to leftism was gone, the wine cave liberals won't stand a chance! bloomer