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[–] schema@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

One problem with popular side characters is that they often get ruined when the writers notice the popularity and make them appear more and more.

Sometimes the scarcity of something is part of the appeal. This also goes for popular adversaries.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This also goes for popular adversaries.

Especially if they keep getting defeated, which makes them less threatening each time they show up. Looking at you, Borg in VOY. Farscape's writers came up with Harvey specifically so they could have Scorpius make frequent appearances without diminishing his threat level.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s why I like Q. Dude just randomly shows up, but never gets defeated.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

It also helps that while Q is always a problem, he's rarely an actual antagonist.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the sweet spot is when people start obsessing over them in syndication after the series has wrapped up.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

Garak was a round character played by an actor that absolutely understood the role. He would have done just fine with more appearances

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why would anyone be interested in an ordinary tailor?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

And such a plain, simple one.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Not so ordinary. I hear he used to be a gardener. On Romulous.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of Morn, he monopolizes any screentime he gets with those ridiculous monologues.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Mornologpolises

[–] Blackout@kbin.run 16 points 1 month ago

Live, laugh, love, Garak...

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

More Dabo Girls, please.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

In DS9 the less human like the character is the more interesting they tend to be.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A person of culture, I see.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 5 points 1 month ago

loving a supporting character is something but wait to experience second lead syndrome. That's another level of pain.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I was so pissed when he turned out to be the Za'tarc, man...I knew right away that it was his smile I'd miss the most.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No offense to Stamets and Culber, but the award for best gay couple in Star Trek definitely goes to Bashir and Garak.

[–] Zakkull@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please stop with this nonsense that anytime two guys are good friends they are gay for each other.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It's not nonsense:

Garak was initially intended by actor Andrew Robinson to be omnisexual. Indeed, Garak's first encounter with Bashir is very clearly sexually charged, which Robinson has stated was intentional. Though the pair would eventually become good friends, his primary interest in Bashir at the outset was sexual. That aspect of the character was eventually dropped for some disappointingly cowardly reasons.

The idea of a queer character on a Star Trek show was routinely vetoed by executive producer Rick Berman. Berman believed any hint of non-heterosexuality on Star Trek would have alienated a significant portion of the franchise's fan base across America in the '90s. It's an unsurprisingly reductive point of view, especially for a franchise as famous for its progressive politics and social messaging as Star Trek. It also flies in the face of the views of Star Trek franchise creator Gene Roddenberry, who was advocating for LGBT representation by the early days of Star Trek: The Next Generation in the late '80s.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-garak-queer-rick-berman-veto/

And I choose to headcanon that we just didn't see any of the physical affection on screen.