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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 68 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

This reveals, I think, that joining the CPUSA to agitate within the org is not a viable strategy. They'll just liquidate you.

Not even the AFL-CIA liquidates union locals for standing with Palestinians. Imagine being worse than the labor aristocracy!

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Up until now i had always operated under the impression that CPUSA is like the unions: bad leadership, good rank and file and worth for revolutionaries to work inside as Lenin advised. But as you point out even unions don't go this far in enforcing pro-liberal discipline so i'm beginning to question the usefulness of staying in the party if it means you have to bend the knee to these horrendous lines that the party has adopted. At this point why not just go over to PSL or one of the other smaller but more genuinely revolutionary, anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist groups.

[–] trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 3 months ago

Not even the AFL-CIA

It matters not whether the AFL-CIA acronym was intentional or a typo, that is just too perfect a comment.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Cpusa has been feds top to bottom for a while

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 3 months ago

I'm trying really hard not to paint them with an overly broad brush and am open to nuance on it, but if this is the kind of shit they can pull at the leadership level, then I don't see much hope for them as an org. It comes across to me like the majority leadership views it as a vehicle for accruing dem votes that is meant to actually block anything further than that, rather than anything resembling a revolutionary org.

[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lol seeing CPUSA members on Twitter retweeting Kamala and the fucking Lincoln Project for Christ’s sake. They’re never beating the allegations.
Also seeing them dismiss this entire thing because the liquidated chapter had no black members. Which is a fair criticism, but is hilarious that they avoid all the other valid points. I’ve seen this a lot from CPUSA people on Twitter when there’s any criticism of the party. It’s always the form of the critique that makes the substance not worth addressing. Doesn’t really instill confidence in your party

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 months ago

Lmfao read Settlers 🗣️

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

CPUSA out here making the Communist Party of Japan look good, so thanks for that I guess...?

I haven't kept up with them and knew they had some soc-dem trends, but I didn't think they had sunk so low, honestly. At what point did they just get assimilated into the establishment party? I don't recall them always being this reactionary.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Accused of Black Nationalism".

But I'm supposed to think CPUSA ISN'T worthy of top-to-bottom condemnation? I'm supposed to think these hard-c crackers have any chance of being any kind of allies? I said it once, I'll say it again; I'll say it until my teeth are broken, until my throat is shredded, until my lungs can't push air anymore:

Death. To. CPUSA.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Democratic centralism is only a good thing when your party can reliably make the correct decisions.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And is actually democratic.

Most times I've seen Western leftists try out demcent it immediately collapses into an insular central committee (sometimes with another name) that decides it now has virtually dictatorial power because they were elected by membership and it turns out there are no real rules and nobody is organized enough to fight them.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 months ago

This is probably because western leftists lack organizational experience (given how much previous successful western left-wing orgs were destroyed or coopted)

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

Because CPUSA removes any member or chapter, including white people, for being nationalist, right? dean-smile

Right? dean-frown

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

Read Black Bolshevik this is nothing new out of them.

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 months ago

Wow. I'm really at a loss for words. CPUSA really thinks that posting these reasons for expelling them makes them look good? I would be ashamed to be a member.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 months ago

can someone think of our israeli comrades 😫

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can't believe what I'm reading. I knew these American communist parties had issues, I don't pay much attention to them but I don't realise there was support for Joe fucking Biden and the Dems. What the fuck!?

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 months ago

CPUSA has been doing it for a while now. They did the same with Hillary Clinton.

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 months ago

Cuck Pit USA

[–] TyMan210@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can't remember, isn't this the chapter that JT is a member of? I wonder if we'll see anything about it from him

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

If his horrendous Ukraine video is any indication, he won't say anything with teeth.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He’s in Dallas-Ft Worth IIRC

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Austin is definitely the more left of the two cities, but that's not really a good thing in this context

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah. I’ve never been to Austin, but I’ve been to DFW, and I fucking hate it there.

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

grill all grackers

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The only reason I have a modicum of faith is that JT Chapman aka Second Thought is a member of the CPUSA and is attempting to go up the ranks of the party. They are THE official communist party and have so much history that it’s a shame to give up on it if possible. He’s proven many times that he’s not afraid to stick his neck out even if he risks everything by being so public about his beliefs.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

I think it's something like 4-5 years until there will be any chance to kick out the old guard again. There was already a reform movement and they ate shit 1-2 months ago.

I have no sense that JT can organize at all outside of creating media. I didn't hear anything from him about the reform movement though I wasn't paying that close of attention to his stuff around then.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago

CPUSA mentioned

👀

[–] eraj344@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 months ago

When even the so called "Communist" party of AmeriKKKa encourages to fucking vote for JoSSeph shitting Biden, a decrepit war mongering KKKunt, then AmeriKKKa is truly fucked up. Death to AmeriKKKa and death to the weSStern chauvaniSSt "left"

JB-shining-aggroamerikkka

JB-shining-aggrocpusa

spoilerCommunist Party of the United States of America? More like the KKKommuniSSt Party of the United SStateSS of AmeriKKKa. (even just typing KKKommuniSSt instead of Communist makes my hands and mind hurt, but the CPUSA is that bad unfortunately that it deserves to be called that.)


[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is there a statement from CPUSA on the matter?

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No. It's a statement by the dissolved Austin chapter.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's in response to an action taken by the CPUSA. I'm asking if the CPUSA put out a statement when they announced their action. There's no link to one on the page.

This seems damning at first blush, but most stories do when you only get one side. Hearing from both sides before reaching a conclusion is fair.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

My bad. I misunderstood. I tried looking for it but haven't found anything yet.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I’ve talked to loyal CPUSAists. They’re as cringe as this makes it out to be.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Is Resolution 5 really about voting for Biden?
Is there somewhere CPUSA defines their "broad front"?

I live outside the US so I'm not up to date on American politics?