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[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The sad fact for Marxists in the west is that the Anarchists are more organized and do more praxis these days.
I find it very annoying when my fellow comrades respond to the actions taken by Anarchists or non-Marxists by simply belittling them.
"occupy did nothing. chaz was doomed from the start. etc."

If we think we are supposed to be the vanguard, the most proactive guardians and forward pushers of the working class's power, we need to start doing shit. Because right now we're a laughing stock of sit-around bookreaders arguing theology.

Our main attack against all other forms of socialism are that they've never won and secured a worker state. Well right now the Marxists in the west haven't even started.

Marxists who do nothing but post will come up with some horrible names to call me which are just new fancier versions of "heretic" but as it stands, (on average) even the least read anarchist in Food Not Bombs has done more to advance worker power than the most well read "Marxist" in a typical org.

The clearest example I can think of:
It was ~~New York City~~ Anarchists working as part of the Direct Action Network who secured the massive abolition of Third World debt owed to the IMF. And it is not exaggeration to say they also almost suceeded in abolishing the IMF entirely. Despite the most vocal opposition to the IMF coming from us Marxists, it seems right now we are all talk. We must improve.

EDIT: I misremembered: DAN was most active in NYC but the anti-IMF successes were across the US not just NYC.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

OP, your question is touching on a great discussion between how much of our social order is arbitrary and how much is determined by material conditions (for example: having visited Cuba, a thoroughly socialist state, I witnessed racism to about the same level as would exist in progressive communities in the US despite no capitalist relations to produce it.). The dialectic between the base and the superstructure, as a Marxist might put it.

I didn't want to muddy up my comment with a long quote, but I think this one has some nice insights.

But if reading isn't one's forte then the tl;dr is from Marx: "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please"

These are from a book called "The Utopia of Rules: On Technology, Stupidity, and the Secret Joys of Bureaucracy"

From a left perspective, then, the hidden reality of human life is the fact that the world doesn’t just happen. It isn’t a natural fact, even though we tend to treat it as if it is—it exists because we all collectively produce it. We imagine things we’d like and then we bring them into being. But the moment you think about it in these terms, it’s obvious that something has gone terribly wrong. Since who, if they could simply imagine any world that they liked and then bring it into being, would create a world like this one?

Perhaps the leftist sensibility was expressed in its purest form in the words of Marxist philosopher John Holloway, who once wanted to title a book, “Stop Making Capitalism.” . . . This is the ultimate revolutionary question: what are the conditions that would have to exist to enable us to do this—to just wake up and imagine and produce something else?

To this emphasis on forces of creativity and production, the Right tends to reply that revolutionaries systematically neglect the social and historical importance of the “means of destruction”: states, armies, executioners, barbarian invasions, criminals, unruly mobs, and so on. Pretending such things are not there, or can simply be wished away, they argue, has the result of ensuring that left-wing regimes will in fact create far more death and destruction than those that have the wisdom to take a more “realistic” approach.

Elements of the Right dabbled with the artistic ideal, and twentieth-century Marxist regimes often embraced essentially right-wing theories of power . . . in their obsession with jailing poets and playwrights whose work they considered threatening, they evinced a profound faith in the power of art and creativity to change the world—those running capitalist regimes rarely bothered, convinced that if they kept a firm hand on the means of productions (and, of course, the army and police), the rest would take care of itself.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The question every leftist has been trying to answer for the past 200 years is this:
"What are the conditions that would let us we wake up tomorrow and not do capitalism?"

All political theory on praxis has been trying to answer this question.
If everyone were class concious, the answer would be simple: just don't.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago

it's literally a broken chain.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Literally a broken chain.
You could make a movie called 'The Folly of the Phallus' where a man shoots himself in the foot everytime he feels emotions and people would idolize the main characters and complain that the message wasn't clear enough.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The evidence we have is that Swiss banks are likely key in how sanctions against Russia are being avoided.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-20/swiss-imports-of-russian-gold-climb-to-highest-since-april-2020

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it depends on what you mean by BRICS, the EU, and imperialism.

Usually what people are referring to is the breakdown of something called Dollar Recycling and usually this gets lumped in with the specific way the US ruling class impose their economic will over the rest of the world.

Often people start with a history lesson beginning just after WWII, and I can link a video if you'd be interested, but in short:

  1. The US Dollar is used by all countries to settle trade. When countries buy and sell oil, they do it in US Dollars. When Argentina sells grain to Brazil, they do it using US Dollars.

    spoilersidenote: It's not actually "Argentina" or "Brazil" doing this. The businesses in these countries put in purchase requests for US Dollars at the Chicago Clearing House or some other bank, and then they pay a fee to exchange their currency for US Dollars, and then trade with each other, and then pay the bank to exchange it back.
    sidenote 2: Sometimes these businesses go to their own country's central banks to exchange the money so the central bank acts as a middle man of sorts.
    .

  2. If a business in the US wants to buy something from abroad, it can just do so without having to worry about where to get US Dollars from since it always uses US Dollars anyway. When French businesses, for example, wants to buy something from abroad, they has to first sell something to get the US Dollars they needs (often to the US) or they have to use a US bank or clearing house to exchange Euros for US Dollars.

  3. Chinese businesses is becoming the largest trading partners of many countries, not the US ones anymore. So many countries can get US Dollars without having to sell to US businesses.

  4. What is likely going to happen is that the BRICS countries (probably better referred to simply as the China Trading Block since all of the other countries are in a subservient role) will make their own crypto currency similar to Tether which is backed by US Dollars that China has in abundance.

  5. This means that there is now a competing currency to the US Dollar but which can easily be exchanged for US Dollars without needing to use any US Banks at all. Thus the power the US businesses have will be weakened.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 week ago

That's about what I expected. It's the same in the west. Very few people are ardent neoliberals but many just support their team (if they are politically active at all).

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i watch kevin walmsley for the info he provides. i (and everyone else) can think for themselves haha. the info he shares is good but his conclusions and biases are wrong and can easily just be ignored.

as for my other comment, i do still believe that and i have actual evidence of it now.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

sounds a bit anarchist

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't think slur is the appropriate word to use here.
There are people who simply support China because it isn't the US. For example, one of the best sources for economic news about China is Inside China Business. He lives in China and supports China but he literally thinks that the reason for China's success is that God is rewarding them for being the largest Christian nation and punishing the US for abandoning the faith. I don't know what other word to describe this guy and people like him as.

[–] sovecon@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

am i one of these few MLs?

 

China campits exist. There are fantastic sources of information about China who are not even remotely Marxist and just support China for whatever reason. I am wondering what percentage of China supporters do you think that applies to?

 

Hi comrades. I was in a discussion last week about socialism (like I usually am) and I think we can do some self crit.

I think it's important to remember that multiple modes of production can (and almost always do) exist in a single soceity at once. There is a dialectic between the systems along with within them.

So when we discuss the social democracies, the soviet states, and modern communist projects like China, we should keep that in mind. There are capitalist, socialist, and communist sectors in many countries now. One of them will dominate, however (Marx says this in the first sentence of Capital).

When looking at the USSR, is had basically no capitalist sector, a very large socialist sector, and a big communist sector. But communist sectors are not unique to the USSR or a DotP. Denmark and the UK both had small communist sectors in things like their healthcare. The period before Thatcher actually saw a UK mix quite similar to post-Deng China--a large capitalist sector, a big socialist sector, and a sizable communit one. (This is likely why the economic performance and worker gains were so high during this time comared to other waning empires like France).

Modern China is very similar. And we should not be ultra leftists and ignore that these are all states in transition. We as communists, and Marxist Leninists do not deny that socialist sectors and communist sectors can appear in other societies. We simply state that unless there is a DotP established, the capitalist sector will erode them away.

Note: The definition of sectors here is whether production is governed by exchange value or use value. Capitalist ones have commodity production i.e. their productive forces are guided by exchange value. Communist sectors are governed by use value (to each according to their need and from each according to their ability). This means Communist sectos don't have commodities. Socialist sectors are ones where commodity production does exist but exchange value takes a secondary role in governing production.
UPDATE: Two comrades said they did not agree with how I defined socialist here. I don't think the definition of what true socialism is effects this argument. Feel free to replace "socialism" with whatever word you would describe for a sector where production is not entirely governed by exchange value but still is to some degree.

I hope you all gain something from this. Everyone in our discussion did. I look forward to any other perspectives. I'm originally a USonian so I know I may be narrow sighted.

 

The history of post war Japan and the US involvement setting up the regime there used as an explainer for why the same can't happen in China.

 
 

I found a much longer version of that classic AI meme.

"And now you have these capitalists, this is their new hoax: they take, they buy a brand new shiny means of production. a bit beautiful new machine. and they have these workers--who are totally not being treated fairly in this county folks, ok. totally exploited--they pay these workers a certain amount. could be 10, could be 20, could be 15. and with their labor they build the product. but the capitalist turns around and sells the product at a huge markup. they call it a profit. and they call it a profit."

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