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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That was bad from the beginning tho

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t see how. Biden and Bush have both explicitly shown that they’re dedicated to something beyond politics, and politics is just a vehicle to get there for them.

Doesn’t mean any of the supernatural is real or fascists make sense, just that these people’s worldviews are shaped by it. And if nothing else, the secrecy and elitist nature of these movements simply provide somewhere for fascists to network and collaborate as seen with Gladio. A lot of the societies don’t give a shit about the occult/ancient history outside of ceremony to make them feel special and exclusive which attracts rich and powerful narcissists.

It’s all free on the site and I’m reading the intro, and it can be a little whacky sometimes with its matter of fact tone when it comes to associating events with the occult, but it doesn’t attribute everything to the occult. Just like bands after the Beatles, you don’t really need to know or care about who pioneered what or who founded this and that. You can be influenced by it subconsciously, be inspired by others who are familiar with the origins, or deliberately seek things out for your own benefit without caring about the history or traditions

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's bad history. It confidently states unsubstantiated facts.

Masonic history is a whole sub-specialty of history, there are a lot of texts and dusty sources to be looked through, a lot to learn there.

I'm skeptical that there's sources that connect the followers of Zevi to Scottish Rite Masonry, for one. And I'm skeptical of basically every other claim in the pic

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well I guess so. I am more familiar with the modern organizations and movements, and some of it mostly* matches up with what I’ve seen elsewhere, so I can’t say anything about its research into the ancient stuff. I just find it interesting is all

[–] buh@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The next assassins creed protagonist should be Barron Trump

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Leap of faith into a wagon of hamberders

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I was searching for the intersection between fraternal orgs/secret societies, GLADIO, and the far right of the cold war, and came across the page for Volume 4 on that site.

Author doesn’t seem to be a bad guy. But just imagine being TrueAnon-pilled but also Russiagate-pilled

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember the guy that burned himself ahead of the Trump trial? This sounds kinda similar to what he was talking about in his reddit posts lol. So close yet so far.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He was promoting some weird crypto scheme wasn’t he?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

No, he was against crypto. He thought crypto, russiagate, and Elon were all connected.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Whats wrong with TrueAnon? I haven't actually given it a listen but I assumed it was just a history of US intervention and corruption.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

TrueAnon-pilled just means being a leftwing crank with encyclopedic knowledge of CIA ops. We’ve been around forever. Look at Hunter J Thompson or Oliver Stone for examples.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nothing. The issue is being simultaneously pilled on proper leftist stuff while also somehow incredibly brainwormed on lib conspiracies at the same time.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The only think wrong with TrueAnon is that I don't have enough time to listen to all of it.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Brace is a fed (of the Chinese govt ofc) (based)

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

have you considered Skull and Boners?

[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's a ruling class and some do organize in weird ways, absolutely, but for the most part it's just inherent reality that it's easier to steal from the bottom than it is to risk confrontation with equal or greater powers so that's mostly what happens.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago

Much of the time it seems less about the ruling class organizing weirdly, but letting their shills go out and do it on behalf of the state

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

when i was a lot younger i read Foucault's Pendulum, because it seemed like it was going to a fictional adventure into the world of conspiracy.

anyone who has actually read it is probably chuckling at that, because the book is actually about these guys who, after being forced to read a bunch of junk conspiracy theory novels for shitty pay at a vanity publisher decide to use a little custom computer program one of them wrote to randomly reconfigure and link conspiracy theories together, as like a joke for themselves to pass the time. the book was from the 80s, when that's about what a computer nerd could do with a computer.

they refer to this inside-joke as "The Plan". and, naturally, some of the rich cranks who submit novels get wind of its creations, thinking these guys have stumbled onto the Real Truth linking everything together into a grant narrative of occult history which will lead the discoverers to ultimate power and wealth. and the protagonists have to go into hiding to avoid being tortured to death by nutjobs to give up their secrets. tragically, confessing that it was a computer generated prank does nothing to dissuade their pursuers/torturers.

reading this sequence gave me vibes like that book has come true and the artificial fabrications of any computer can create random conspiratorial occult narratives are that much more detailed, including AI assisted artistic representations, and i'm just like: damn, this is one really fucked up time to be alive and searching for meaning.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I choose not to read it as a “theory of everything” or “ultimate truth” but rather glimpses - some accurate, some incoherent - of how the fascist zeitgeist came to be. And I mean we have literally seen instances of these cartoonish cigarette smoking man styled plans in play, so it’s not completely bonkers

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In one article, he claims Bakunin (yes, that Bakunin) was a Luciferian Freemason lol

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Did/do the Freemasons even accept Jewish people?

[–] utopologist@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

I assume no, which Bakunin would have been thrilled about

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

They did (took a bit though) and do.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

I don’t believe so. There is a conspiracy theory that they were involved with the Jack the Ripper killings and tried to frame the Jews

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

Bakunin was a Mason, I believe.

Masonry being 'Luciferian' is conspiracy theory stuff though. It's not real.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago
[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, this looks like some dork shit, even by the usual standards of this cospiracy, Rosacrusian-kinda stuff.

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't heard "active measures" in a minute. Good to see the Mullerites went full "the jewish freemasons"

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He’s not anti semitic it seems. He has whole books talking about how Jews are scapegoated and how zionists desire antisemitism to further their agenda

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

can't believe they haven't even worked in the Jesuits and the Orsini, the author must be their puppet!!!!!!!!!

vatican shadow bank nazi rah rah rghbgbghbhgu aruuuuuuuuu asafagsjshafagssj

oof owie I think my brain was space microwaved

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The vatican literally shielded the nazis and helped the CIA kill south american villagers and liberation theology catholics

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago

yeah that's why I mentioned it, I'm just mocking myself for knowing too much about this