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Ross Douthat: Joe Manchin Would Be ‘the Most Moderate Candidate’

I’m Ross Douthat, and I’m a columnist for The New York Times. I’m here to make the case that the Democrats should nominate the senator from West Virginia Joe Manchin.

Much of the Democratic Party and many of my friends in the media are convinced that this election has almost existential stakes for the United States of America. And if that is the case, there is a reasonable argument for the Democratic Party to nominate someone who is as close to the center of American politics as you can get, with a long record of voting for Democratic causes. So, Manchin 2024.

I’ve thought Joe Manchin should run for president for a while. In 2023, I made the case that he should run as an independent. I thought, as a moderate Democrat, Manchin was well positioned to run, basically, I argued, a kind of test-the-waters campaign.

But the reason to think of him as a plausible third-party candidate is also the reason to think of him as a plausible nominee for the Democrats — if their absolute goal is to defeat Donald Trump, no matter what.

Manchin is a guy who successfully managed to get elected to the Senate from West Virginia over the course of multiple election cycles where West Virginia was being transformed from a reliably Democratic state into a reliably Republican one. And his strategy always seemed to be: Pull a given piece of Democratic legislation more toward the middle (or toward the middle as he understood it), but be willing to vote for it when push came to shove.

He was more socially conservative in various ways on issues ranging from abortion to immigration. He tended to be more skeptical of large spending bills of all kinds, climate change legislation in particular. He did a lot of things, especially in the Biden era, that made more ideological Democrats incredibly frustrated with him. At the same time, he remained a pretty reliable vote for Democratic causes and programs and judicial nominations and everything else.

In imagining him as a Democratic nominee, you’re picking someone who in a different kind of era would have been the leader of probably a pretty big centrist faction in the Democratic Party. And so nominating him wouldn’t require the Democratic Party to radically shift its positions on almost any issue. It would be a unique signal to the country that the Democrats were willing to make a major ideological compromise, which is the kind of signal that, if you are determined to win the election at all costs, you want to be sending.

I think Manchin’s biggest challenge in the incredibly unlikely event that he was the Democratic nominee, is that because he is a moderate who is despised by key activist groups in the Democratic coalition, most Democrats are just not going to turn out for someone who spent the Biden years trying to make Joe Biden’s agenda more moderate and sometimes contributing to derailing it.

That’s always the problem with trying to nominate the most moderate candidate: You risk alienating your own base. But I think in this scenario, given the lateness of the hour and Donald Trump as the presumptive Republican nominee, that what you would gain among swing voters would outweigh what you would lose in the party’s base.

Both political parties have nominated candidates for president who are broadly unacceptable to the middle 30 percent of Americans, and it would probably be useful for the country if one of the two parties tried to nominate someone who was much more acceptable to Americans in that middle ground.

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[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The obvious compromise between a center-right fascist and a far-right fascist is a far-right fascist

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

But he could out-Blinken blinken-pain by making his campaign theme song "Mansion on a Hill," and could rotate between Hank Williams, Springsteen, and Neil Young!

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ross's face when every Republican talking head is calling presidential nominee Joe Manchin is a communist shocked-pikachu

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly the Dems should just see if they can get Trump to run as a Dem since all they care about is winning rather than actually implementing any of the policy they campaign on.

[–] chicory@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Exactly, this take is the perfect result of the horserace perspective. All that matters is blue team winning. The policy is meaningless.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Surprised none of them said Mike Bloomberg for the same reasons but with more money

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Do we really need another Joe like Biden? debord-tired

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Ahhh that 99.5% Hitler "middle ground".

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Forced-birther Catholic fundie wants the guy who killed the expanded child tax credit.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The most despised man in the country

[–] CloudyConvent@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Douthat cheating on Buckley for another creepy old man

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

On second thought, Ross, do not Douthat

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

kelly "Ross Don'that"

[–] The_Filthy_Commie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

But they asked me: Ross ''Howie'' Douthat.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ross Douthat, the deranged papist who literally believes in ghosts?

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Lieberman 2024