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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a good day to be an EU citizen.
Just like yesterday.
just like tomorrow.
Just like any other day ~~except whenever some asshole pushes for ChatControl~~

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

watching the chatcontrol shit from afar has been extremely depressing

and it's the idea that'll never die as long as police/security forces are built the way they are right now, which doubly sucks

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. It's also just so incongruous with everything the EU usually (tries to) stand for.

The best thing would be if the courts decide that mandatory client side scanning is plain illegal. But for that the measure has to pass, so someone can sue. Not a pleasant prospect.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

everything the EU usually (tries to) stand for

only when for itself. there's a lot to (and which I do) like about the EU from the outside, but also a lot not

courts decide .. measure has to pass

yeah and the moment the floodgates are open, there will be a long tail of this shit everywhere that'll take an immensely long time to get cleaned up. and possibly may never be fully cleaned up. just like the current problem of surveillance-based advertising, which I'm not sure whether it can fully go away even if the very business model itself is made untenable - a lot of that infrastructure will die, but some will find new homes in more unsavoury purposes

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago

Honestly, EU could just operate on an "opposite-day" policy, where they consequently outlaw every business practice Facebook ("Meta") partakes in, and it would be 99% correct and beneficial to every citizen.

[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They didn't need to put this in, but they did;

In case of non-compliance, the Commission can impose fines up to 10% of the gatekeeper's total worldwide turnover. Such fines can go up to 20% in case of repeated infringement. Moreover, in case of systematic non-compliance, the Commission is also empowered to adopt additional remedies such as obliging a gatekeeper to sell a business or parts of it or banning the gatekeeper from acquisitions of additional services related to the systemic non-compliance.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago

pretty common to see that mentioned ito EU going after megacorps; the tone was set by microsoft actions in the 00s (the Office saga), and has rung a few times since over the years

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Most media paywalls nowadays have "pay or consent to cookies and swallow advertizing"...

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

yes, and that's illegal in the EU, hence the story?

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the DMA only applies to digital gatekeepers, not individual new outlets

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

yes, but the GDPR violation remains

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The point is it is not just facebook, it is about nearly every media page here in Europe.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

but you didn’t actually say that, instead you had a quadro-ellipsis that could’ve been anything

and you’ve also just restated an obvious fact/observation with no point of your own? was there one?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

yes, and that’s illegal in the EU, hence the story?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i've seen this only on german newspapers tbh

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

heh curious, I often see it with .be/.nl/.bg ones (but from IPs very clearly not in eurozone (as in, not even under RIPE))

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago

i've seen it at faz.net and at few other german ones but nowhere else

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

(.de too but you covered that)