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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 109 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Emotions? Sure.

Like us?

I dunno. Does irate fury at being woken up mid nap count as “like us”?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 82 points 4 months ago

I'm gonna go with absolutely.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 39 points 4 months ago

That's exactly how I feel when someone wakes me up mid nap so yeah.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

they obviously have emotions, just a bit less complex ones, but it's pretty clear they're not just robots

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Just because we understand their emotions only on a basic level doesn’t mean they’re not more complicated.

There is a lot we don’t understand and can’t understand.

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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

How do you know cats don't experience sonder? Did you ask one? No, you just assumed

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Two monks were passing by a little pond where there were some ducks, and the first monk said, "Look at how happy those ducks are!"

The second monk said, "You are not a duck. You can't know if they are happy."

The first monk replied, "You are not me. You can't know that I cannot."

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I've asked my cats loads of questions. Not one has given a comprehensive answer.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Insects on the other hand are pretty much nature's robots.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Bees have been known to engage in play

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[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Man, mine go nuts being happy to see us.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago
[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, we can leave our cats for a week with plenty of food, etc., and they're still thrilled when we return.

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[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

emotions yes. Like us, I don't have the capabilities to determine if their emotions are like ours.

[–] Nicoleism101@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My cat: I pissed three times on your stuff while you were away because fuck you and your shitty ‘healthy’ food

Same evening: cuddles? cuddles! cuddle me human, yes scratches behind the ears!

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They don't have emotions like us but they have emotions similar to ours.

[–] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How would you define like us vs similar to us?

[–] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Humans can have more complex emotions. We can be stressed about theoretical concepts that animals just are not equipped to understand. We can be excited by the prospect of future events.

Most animal emotions are immediate. They enjoy some food they eat, they find a nice warm spot to bask in, they see a predator and run away. Most animals lack the mental capacity to think beyond the immediate.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I mean, that could just be a fault in observation. The same line of thinking was utilized by people like Thomas Jefferson to validate his own use of slavery.

The language we use to describe intellect and emotions are inseparable from biased interpretation by humans. Can all humans "stress about theoretical concepts"? If a human lacks the ability to do so, do they become less human, or more animalistic?

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[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

If that's the case, then there's also something more complex going on - animals can certainly learn to anticipate things at specific times, like food, a dog gets excited by a doorbell because they knew that means somebody is coming, they can get stressed out by innocuous things if they associate it with bad experiences like beatings.

Not saying you're wrong, but it warrants further explanation, because as is it doesn't match the simple experience of living with a dog.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (83 children)
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Silly vegoon, only the cute animals I didn't want to eat have feelings. The others are unfeeling slabs of meat that is magically created by wholesome farmers being folksy.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A few coworkers refer to cows as giant dogs. Then they sell them to be butchered.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As a new parent the agriculture propaganda from the very start is crazy! Look at this happy farmer and his cute pig its so happy in its mudpit, what a wholesome picture!

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

ya, my sister is raising kids atm and she's had to hunt for books that don't associate farming with cuddly-happy—funtimes

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Just don't try to force it on your pets.

Cats are obligate carnivores.

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[–] sirico 6 points 4 months ago
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[–] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (10 children)

My cat has only one emotion: not giving a damn about me

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