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Say what you want about Trump, if he gets into the white house again he is going to be an effective leader. The American empire is not destined to fall, communism is not destined to win, capitalism will kill the planet if we can’t stop it though, that’s the only thing that’s certain. Trump winning or losing does not determine if we get the good ending or the bad ending, but he points us in a worse direction than Biden would. Think about how many wars Biden started and is losing, if Trump ends them america will be in a stronger position to do imperialism. I support Biden because he won’t end the wars, and the US is destined to lose them. Trump is a greater threat to Palestine, to Russia, to China, to Cuba, to all currently existing socialist states. Biden is not by his sheer incompetence. If Biden starts WW3 that would be better for the working class than Trump starting it or even delaying it for a more ruthless fascist president to lead it. Anyways voting doesn’t matter, you are crazy if you think trump is better for leftist, he is only better for the colonizer.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure Biden will just be a figurehead and the actual decisions will be made by his handlers. He does make the US look really pathetic, but I don't know how much influence he really has on his own administration.

[–] chauncey@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

I want someone older, with more experience

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Our support or no support for a US presidential candidate has no bearing on anything whatsoever

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Didn't Russia come out and say Biden being in the wh is good for them because he's easier to manipulate?

[–] Latework@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think it was more akin to he's more ~~consistent~~ predictable and easier to plan around, in that Trump was a bit more of a wild card. Edit: heres the clip in question https://youtu.be/h9FzYgiES84?si=rpNLI2DrAIg0gW9f

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Biden would make the US' failures more poignant, since liberals can't shove the blame to any orange cheeto or similar.

In fact, I hope they get a supermajority in all 3 branches not only against the Republicans, but also against your Manchin Candidates and Christian Cinemas; with enough power to fight the Supreme Court.

If that comes to pass, I really want to see their next excuses for why nothing is getting done. Kind of like with the upcoming British election.

Give the liberals all they are asking for and watch the despair as nothing changes anyways.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is Obama's first term. If the Dems have a 10 seat majority you get 10 manchins

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Possibly, but having 10 Manchins would be hilarious.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

Did you forget to ask someone?biden-supervised

[–] iie@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

biden is not the president, he's the figurehead of the machine behind him

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I've seen a couple articles on Russian social media comparing him to late stage Leonid Ilyich, or chernenko

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago

Brezhnev was never this senile.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

I don't know. I feel like Biden pushes us closer to nuclear war. Not a fan.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

You're duped if you think the individuals are really at the head of everything.

Most of what Biden does is assisted by a whole bunch of staff; the Democratic party machine is firmly in charge and they love Biden the way he is. Sometimes he insists on doing things his way (poorly) but it never really goes against the apparatus.

Trump has handlers too, with lots of different factions/opportunists vying for control. He's also becoming senile, but it doesn't show as much. He was able to monkey-wrench a lot of the executive branch in his first term, partly because he monopolized the media and partly because he kept firing everyone, and the party didn't know how to respond. Now, with Trump as more elderly and having taken a bunch of losses, he doesn't have as much chaotic mystique, and the Republican party apparatus knows how he works.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

idk why you say that when he seemed like a very ineffective leader in his first term

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump? I feel like he did a lot, not to say it was good stuff though.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I remember several times the republicans trying to push some kind of legislative agenda and it failing

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Probably true, but I feel like I remember him doing a lot of what he said he would.

Liberals are just much weaker when it comes to fulfilling their promises.

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Probably true, but I feel like I remember him doing a lot of what he said he would.

Like putting Hillary Clinton in prison?

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

Obviously not that, and not everything. But I think Republicans are more effective, because they actually want what they say they want, and Trump ended up doing much that he said he wanted to do.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Just keep in mind that whoever wins will have 4 years of horrible consequences attributed to that party. In 2028 the opposite is more likely to win as a rebuttal to it - with a fresh 2 term / 8 year potential. (2036)

So if Biden / Democrat wins now - what does your future look like? yea