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Breaking down walls, tearing down barriers and abolishing borders.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All 3 of these are stealing the money right out of the mouths of struggling CEOs.

All three stand on the field...

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@db0 Could we get some moderators for this community, to kick out the low-effort trolls?

[–] Danterious@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you talking about the commentors or the post? I am assuming you are talking about the commentors.

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the post is fine, but we seem to have attracted the attention of the great dismissive majority.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe, but I don't mind comments. As long as the responses aren't too aggressive, I'm fine with it.

And I don't mind bad faith, as long as it doesn't involve violence.

The comments that are from "low-effort trolls" might be a bit much. I mean, you kind of have to sift through them and say to yourself, "meh, what an idiot, doesn't even know about the topic at hand to say anything remotely valid." And that's the fun part. Trolls, in order to really function at effective troll level, have to engage with the content in some meaningful way, if even superficially, which means they have to understand the subject. They seem to not understand the subject at all, which makes them look glaringly ineffective in their role as trolls. I mean, I might call them "lame attempt at trying to be trolls." They're out of their element. And it's funny. But yeah, they don't need to be there, either.

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Fair enough. For my own part I prefer a higher signal to noise ratio. People starting from a position of "there's no way that could possibly work" generally aren't worth my time.

"I have always been a liberal radical, an individualist and an anarchist. In the first place, I am an enemy of the Church; in the second place, I am an enemy of the State. When these great powers are in conflict I am a partisan of the State as against the Church, but on the day of the State's triumph, I shall become an enemy of the State. If I had lived during the French Revolution, I should have been an internationalist of the school of Anacharsis Cloots; during the struggle for liberty, I should have been one of the Carbonieri." - Pío Baroja, anarchist and novelist. To stand on equal ground everyone needs to adapt to the ever shifting ground in cooperation, to help each other and themselves to stand on it equally.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

What Is Politics just made an episode about this, incidentally.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Same ideas, worded differently: https://i.redd.it/x6q4jkkc43xc1.jpeg

All 3 can see the game without supports or accommodations because the cause(s) of the inequity was addressed. The systemic barrier has been removed.

(original post: https://old.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/1ceonlj/a_cool_guide_equality_equity_and_justice_breaking/)

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I wanna slip one good comment in here: they do need a little fence to hide behine if a ball comes

[–] Adramis@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait...what's the kid in the red shirt got his hands on in the Anarchy picture?

[–] Borax_kid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even though it's now transparent, the barrier is still there. The problem only appears to be solved.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Most barriers are only mental, in people's minds

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pitcher needs to be shooting the red one just because there's no rules.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're confusing anarchism with anomie..

Anarchism is not the absence of rules, but rules agreed between everyone outside any form of authority.

[–] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rules without authority: impossible to enforce. Rules agreed by everyone: impossible to exist.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Once again, you confuse authority with discipline. What is ruled by consensus don't need to be enforced by authority.

[–] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And when did this thing called consensus ever happened in the past 10000 years?

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Haha ! good question, probably never happened...

That's precisely the nature of progress: to create what doesn't yet exist.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

But, but Somalia!

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[–] Gxost@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was leading a work group designing a new software. I tried to reach consensus, so everybody in the group would be satisfied with our decisions. But it didn't work. Everybody was arguing even on simple questions and didn't listen to arguments of others. Votings didn't help too, because the minority was rising the same questions again and again, trying to convince others to join them and then re-vote. And nobody was satisfied. We were wasting time. But when I said that now I only listen to others and make decisions on my own, everybody was ok with that. Our meetings became productive. So, I don't believe consensus is possible.

[–] xachugesh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Consensus is really a function of group size.

I was in a group, there were 8 members we went back an forth for months to try come to decisions, it was not a great time and nothing was achieved.

Consensus is probably possible in groups of around 4-5