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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 122 points 1 year ago (5 children)

“Bought this Tesla before Elon Musk became a huge asshole. Sorry”

wait, Tesla didn’t exist back then

[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Before he revealed himself to be one

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[–] grue@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Electric cars are still cars, and therefore do fuck-all to fix the real problem of excessive use of land for parking lots, low-density zoning, and lack of walkability.

The only way to have communities that are healthy and sustainable (ecologically, financially, or otherwise) is to fix the zoning code so that folks don't need to drive in the first place.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 40 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Or just reduce the need to drive, for example by encouraging remote work.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago

Oh man when almost everything was remote my commute was so nice. 12 miles in 15 - 17 minutes instead of almost double that everyday.

Unfortunately I operate a forklift so I have to be there in person but damn was it super nice.

Currently I'm trying to encourage and raise support for more bike infrastructure locally so it's an actually viable option intead of it's currently not so viable state.

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[–] li10 78 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I remember when Teslas used to be cool.

Now I see them all the time, and they might as well swap the badge for one that says “cunt”, it would be less embarrassing.

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buy a Tesla because you're trying to help the environment and it was regarded as the best EV at the time

Tesla starts making their products shittier

Tesla lied about range

Tesla CEO loses his mind, buys a social media company, drives it into the ground

Someone on the internet says you're a cunt because you own a Tesla

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Tesla drivers were the new BMW douchebags on the road well before he bought Twitter. I got buzzed by in a parking lot the other day by someone doing at least 30, so close it felt like a huge gust of wind. Turned to see a teslas within a foot of me. Jackass drivers in near silent cars in parking lots are a great combo. If the sensors and self driving worked for shit it would of never let them get that close to me.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Extra frustrating because even though Musk is associated wholesale with Tesla, he is not actually a founder.

Yet another example of the rich running shit into the ground with poor decisions.

[–] Dangeresque@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

As much as I think musk is an asshole he did put his money where his mouth is in Tesla which notably almost went bankrupt twice. The reality is that Elon distaste matters orders of magnitude less to buyers than value. I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money. Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering. Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world. On Twitter yeah he is running it into the ground arguably on purpose but on Tesla and space x he is doing pretty good. I don't understand what people taking this angle think the founder would have done better. The founder would have just gone bankrupt with Tesla or sold to someone else.

I would also add that people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.

Most people are just going to buy the car that is the best value with the least effort.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.

I'm not gonna defend the state of the dealership system, but from what I hear, getting Teslas fixed is awful in unique ways.

Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world.

They're the largest by stock price, but in EVs/year they were surpassed by a chinese company a couple years ago, and both traditional and new companies are closing the gap Tesla got from all the early capital that was dumped into them. They never came close if you include non-electric cars.

Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering.

There's tons of electric cars at the price point Tesla offers, with a fraction of the issues. One thing I did notice is other companies limit what they're willing to import into the US to avoid competing with more expensive models (eg, no company imports cheap electric convertibles or station wagon because they'd compete with higher-end electric cars and SUVs/pickups respectively), but I'm not aware of any market segment that doesn't have a competitive non-tesla equivalent.

Awhile ago, someone counted the number of local news stories of people getting immolated by their Teslas. It was more per car sold than the Ford Pinto.

Between:

spoiler

Locking the person in when power fails

Wompy Wheels

Steering wheel come off while you are driving

Tesla's tendency to drive into the back of stopped emergency vehicles or stop on highways due to changing light conditions

The trunk

$500 door handles with 10 dollars worth of electronics that fail due to moisture and ice (this one was improved. They're still $500 though)

The car lying about its range

Shoddy build quality

A dozen other issues I hear from Tesla owners

The only way I can understand Tesla not being as big of a joke as the Ford Pinto is some combination of outlets that would amplify these stories to become national news also tend to own stock in the largest car company, and Tesla having a team that's 10x better than Ford's at shutting down negative publicity.

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[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (61 children)

But ultimately, according to the survey, most Tesla owners plan to buy a Tesla again.

Lol

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[–] stilgar@infosec.pub 50 points 1 year ago (9 children)

No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.

Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture... We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.

[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

the american urge to paste your opinions on your automobile

[–] pkulak@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Clicked through the first link and saw like half a dozen stickers with the only joke conservatives have ever been able to think of; "x identifies as y". Imagine thinking that's such a pinnacle of comedy that you reuse it for everything you can think of for years and years, never tiring of it.

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would prefer they drive a Tesla than a petrol car. But if they swap to another electric car, I'll take it. I hope they advocate for better public transport links locally though.

[–] LaSaucisseMasquee@jlai.lu 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What would be the purpose of swapping ?

It wouldn’t automagically reuse the resources used to build the Tesla car into another one.

[–] czech@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

This is a stretch but with bad press the resale value of existing teslas may drop to within reach of more consumers who would otherwise drive an ICE.

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[–] YeeHaw@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Imagine "Twitter stuff" being your breaking point after all the bad shit Musk did. These people are the real problem.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

He had some credibility with nerds because Tesla transformed the electric car market* and was making contributions to renewable energy storage, SpaceX revived the idea of doing more in space than just launching the occasional satellite or probe, and Starlink was pitched with the idea that it'd bring about globally accessable, high-speed low-latency internet. The result is that, because he is the face of Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink, he received the major of the credit for them. Nerds were willing to overlook the fact that he was an asshole for the contributions that his companies were making to science and technology because either "he's just shitposting" or "sometimes you have to take what you can get *shrug*". It wasn't until he bought Twitter that they realized that he's not just shitposting, he really is just like that, and that maybe he was causing more harm than he was doing good.

Source: My dad and I had a lot of respect for him up until he bought Twitter and started throwing a temper tantrum. My opinion of him was already waning when I saw the fit he threw about not being able to use his submarine and the bigoted shit he said on Twitter, but him buying Twitter broke any illusions that the either of us had about him being even a somewhat decent person. I've also seen others have similar experiences as well.


* seriously, does no one remember how the major car manufacturers were trying to bury electric cars? Does no one remember that one of the big reasons why we have so many electric cars now is because Tesla voluntarily released all their patents to the public in 2014?

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I bought it before the twitter stuff

but you bought it well after everyone knew they were shit quality explosive deathtraps and that he was a paedophile

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I’m sure the resale value plummeting after the driving range bullshit was exposed probably doesn’t factor into the not selling. Right?

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[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't hurl insults at Tesla owners. If they're dumb enough to stick to owning a car more likely to explode than a Pinto while not even having the panels line up correctly on a $40k "luxury" car, then there's no pox I could wish on them worse than what they're already signed up for. dumpster-fire

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the equivalent of voting Republican, then complaining how everything is getting worse.

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[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lmao imagine being this big a loser you feel like apologizing to everyone because you bought a shit car

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[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what is about americans and bumper stickers

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[–] betamark@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Tesla is not a company of one person.

Edit: I get wanting to protect yourself from folks who want to take their Elon rage out on random tesla, but isn't it easier to just talk to folks about this?

Thank you for sharing the article, op.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

what a patetic testament , so they brougt their fucking car (Most Pricy Class of Consumer Item ) based on them liking the melon-musk hype lib train (oviously not actually a Train thats way to efficent and proven) , joyfully driving on the Smuglane ,.. now after the "X" melon-musk stuff , and Elon having puplic shifted into the Chud lane , they now drive their Tesla on the Crinch highway in such paranoid hyperawareness that they put a fucking Bumperstckr on their car to Preactivly apolegize .... Never be that Pathetic ...

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Oh come on, they had to have known how much of a weenie he was even before the twitter stuff lol.

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