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US Supreme Court lifts ban on gun bump stocks (www.bbc.com)
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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As I said in the other thread... This wasn't a merits decision as to "bumpstocks good" or "bumpstocks bad". The point was that machine guns have a statutory definition. Bumpstocks did not fit that definition. Trump tried to use executive order to essentially amend the law all by himself to revise the practical implementation of that definition. That's not how the US works. If the president wants bumpstocks banned, he must use political capital to lobby congress to pass a bill, then sign the bill if it makes it that far.

To everyone whining about the outcome of this particular case, imagine unilateral executive authority applied to every area of American life, and realize what you are wishing for.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I think too many people actually want that.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People have gotten in the habit of cheering on court rulings based on outcome, rather than any defining principles. I've been trying to encourage people to imagine the shoe is on the other foot and their political enemies are in charge, before contemplating expansion of federal powers.

[–] androogee@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, the supreme court has also gotten in the habit of making decisions based on outcomes rather than principles

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In my opinion, a bumpstock does actually fit the definition of a machine gun, because the user-action to fire multiple shots in a row is one continuous action. Your finger becomes a part of the mechanical function of the gun and the trigger is pressed by pushing the handguard forward.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Problem is... by that definition, pants beltloops are also machineguns because you can bumpfire just as easily from those, and through exactly the same combined "mechanical function".

[–] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago

And if you attach a string to an M1 carbine just right it also becomes a machine gun. Constructive intent and the ability to enforce the law matter. We're never going to be able to ban strings or belt loops, and neither are produced or owned with the intent of building a machine gun, but a bump stock is clearly a purpose built device intended to turn a rifle into a machine gun and it's comparatively easy to enforce prohibition on such a specialized part.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Twaz the way it was always going to go. There is very specific wording for what is a machine gun, and a bump stock did not meet it.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago

Yup. From a legal standpoint this was the right decision. Too bad the SC isn't always so punctilious in its rulings.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can chime in on technicalities with the next Las Vegas shooting.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I don't endorse opinions like yours who advocate for a rogue Supreme Court that disregards the law and does what it wants. Change the law if you want to ban bump stocks.

[–] BajaTacos@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They literally ruled in one case this term with a fake situation that never happened ( 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis) and then lied about the background facts in another (Kennedy v Bremerton), both in favor of "injured" Christians.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

OK, so you want more of the same just because this particular case aligns with your preferences? How about demanding a SC that narrowly does its job without acting like they it gets to decide what the law is?

[–] BajaTacos@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My comment is that this is already a rogue court when the case aligns with their beliefs.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It's actually more of the same in this case as well, this position was just easier to defend.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 35 points 5 months ago (5 children)

These idiots have blood on their hands.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They won’t care until it’s their kids that get mowed down.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They didn't care when someone shot them at a congressional softball game.

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[–] fishos@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

You realize many guns can be made full auto just by filling down or replacing a single part and the spring, right? It's been an issue for DECADES. This law was just reactionary legislation and didn't actually impact mass shootings. It being gone doesn't really change anything other than one less law to enforce.

Does America have a gun problem? Yes. Does it have an ass backwards bureaucracy problem? Also yes.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Since a bump stock alone is just a useless object, couldn’t they have just been banned them without ever even needing to reference weapons?

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some states have. It's currently an open legal question as firearm parts/accessories generally get included under 2A protections as the right to keep and bear arms is infringed if, say, triggers are illegal. It's currently working it's way through the courts to determine the answer to your question and we wont have any definitive answers for years.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That makes sense. If you made all weapons legal but say, barrels illegal alone, its effectively a weapon ban

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

These we're banned under Trump. This is ridiculous.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Sorry, can't hear you. Because of the hearing damage from using a full auto rifle without a fucking silencer!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That could happen with any gun loud enough, could even be a bolt action.

Suppressors are basic safety equipment, though, just ask France. Hell in some places in europe they're required to hunt to cut down on noise polution.

Since we have the NFA here which likes to pretend they're only tools for super murder assassins like Golgo 13 because they're so quiet they absorb sound like a black hole absorbs light (/s), we have active/passive ear protection instead.

I'd recommend the use of this basic safety equipment while doing anything loud, especially firing guns, unless unable due to it being a surprise self defense situation during which it becomes an acceptable risk.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

im glad the country is using time and resources for such an important issue as this

[–] ObamaBinLaden@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll preface this by saying I'm not American so the point of this isn't a statement on seconds amendment. What I do not understand is, why would citizens be so obsessed by this format of firearms that it would make it all the way to the supreme court.

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[–] bender223@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

Another indication that the US gov doesn't care to even mitigate mass shootings or school shootings. The most important thing is that gun manufacturers make money.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago

Shall not be infringed on my accessories. I remember that part too.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@ me when the next mass shooting with bump stocks happens. I give it a year max

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Mass shooters everywhere rejoice

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Finally! I can defend my home, again.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well those 80-100 feral hogs ain't gonna shoot themselves.

What? The number? Well bump stocks were illegal so we couldn't keep their numbers under control. We were totally unarmed.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wish I had a bump stock when going against packs of feral hogs, actually. Bolt actions are pointless and normal semi-autos just barely cut it, for this particular use case.

There is no love in my heart for those creatures. They destroy and/or eat anything they touch.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

If you've ever actually shot an automatic weapon, only the first shot has any real chance of hitting what you're aiming at. Even the military reserves burst and full auto for suppression and pretty much nothing else. Bump stocks just add to the inaccuracy problem.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Really the issue is who is allowed to use them anyway

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

You think they'll remember to update the content?

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